Oh, so FFXIV is pay-to-win? That's... stupid.

[Kaiser-Ace]

No the basic reason is that you trow away your entire inventory for practically free. With that in mind it makes sense that you never keep items around and thus dont see inventory space as a problem.


What baffles me however, is that you still ignore the part where retainers earn you gil. You dont need to be a ''high end crafter'' as you call them. All you need to do is send them on ventures to obtain items you can directly place on the mb.



PS: I kept way more items when I only had little gil to use on anything. You know as a level 10-40 crafter? I couldnt afford to buy items off the marketboard. As such I cannot understand the reasoning that ''im not high end so I dont need to keep items''.

What are you, so rich you can just buy whatever you want when you need it? If that is true, then indeed; you have no need for retainers.

Ok I'll address this in parts since there are a lot of separate points.

I'm a combat type player. I raid, I run dungeons, and make new combos and rotations that are both unique and effective. My Specialty lies in the Disciples of War disciplines though I am not object to using magic when the need occurs. Most of my actual inventory is in my Armory Chest which has on multiple occasions spilt over into my normal inventory. Any crafting or gathering I do is strictly for leisurely purposes to relax from the stress of the battle field. (Thus why my fisherman is well above all other DoL/DoH classes, just take a seat by a lake, cast a bait, and let the RNG do it's thing)

Now, on to the matter of retainers. My retainers are NPC banks and Arsenals to me. Thing is, gear has upkeep, and leveling classes means I occasionally need new items. (Which is perople like your competitors come in as I typically don't buy any thing over 20-30k from the MB as 100k is difficult for me to get quickly via the spoils of war) So the quick ventures I send them on usually pbing back compleatly worthless items that sell for less on the MB than to NPCs. A lot of useless loot I get in dungeons meets the same fate.

And as for the "Throwing away" my inventory, well I'm on a very large server, Balmung, and there for unlike your server, Crafting is competitive to the point where untill you are a High End Crafter with at least one maxed DoH class, there's no profit to be made. I've been to Zodiark, I've seen your population, and I've seen your markets, High End Crafters are few and far between meaning you have a verry monopolized market where as on balmung it's not uncommon for an item that was work 15k a piece the day before to drop to a few hundred gil and vise versa depending on who'd farming and crafting what that day. The Allagan leather I sold for 35k a week ago now is barely worth 10k due to mass farming of T5 by unsynced parties.

So, I've addressed my points quite validly where as you seemed to shoot more holes in your own argument than a lvl 60 machinist on an opo-opo killing spree.

Now that we've established our differences, what is your real argument for how you have any ground to stand on, because now I'm even more convinced that I should be taking advise from a lvl 1 noob than an "Expert Craftsman" like you.

[Kaiser-Ace]

also, I love how what I quoted off of his origenal post word for word is now absent and replaced by a diffrent, and even less valid, statement than what I quoted.

[PheonixCain]

this is very common in Asia though, deal to severe population servers are more easy to crashed bcuz of data transmit for MMO
therefore, most games charge players for money just for the extra inventory space, bcuz they do need that money to maintain the servers

afterall, SE is charging cheap though

[Aeyis]

also, I love how what I quoted off of his origenal post word for word is now absent and replaced by a diffrent, and even less valid, statement than what I quoted.

The post was edited within 5 minutes of posting. I think its a good idea to not be trigger happy in replying to posts. One would not want to be mistaken for a keyboard warrior.

[Kaiser-Ace]

The post was edited within 5 minutes of posting. I think its a good idea to not be trigger happy in replying to posts. One would not want to be mistaken for a keyboard warrior.

Trigger happy? You had a better loint before you edited it.

Before you edited it you had a semi-valid argument afterwards you had no argument at all. Hell I'm glad I beat you to the trigger just so everyone else can see the pre-edit.

[Rath]

Hmm.

All HW ores, metals, stones, lumbers. Different types of (highlevel) whetstones. All types of HW cloth, and their raw materials. All HW skins and leathers. The raw materials are needed to leave the option of making HQ materials open.

Untradable dyes. Pigments for the regular dyes. Upgrade materials/off set equipment, glamours.
Crafting + gathering materias. Some hard to find housing materials/items. (IE: primal items)
HW Alch items.

In some cases (like skins) HQ materials are kept. A lot of the HW refined items require keeping stock of some other (lower level) materials as well.

Why? Why? why?

These items are selling decently now, while people are leveling off of them and the markets are inflated due to this. These items should be sold, not stored. They will easily be cheaper in a week. I make and sell a good 20-50 chimera felts daily, and yet you said in a previous posts you had something like 300 manes? Last week those manes were 15k each, now they are 6k lol. It is like you invest in stocks when they are high and then refuse to sell them later because they are so low.

The samne goes for ores.
Adamantite ore last week 10k This week 6k Even HQ is down to 9k
Titanium last week 4-5k now 1.3k
Hardsilver, mythrite, Aurum Regis sands, etc etc. All are much much cheaper now then even 2 days ago.
Cloth items are the same
Pigments? Really? That is in fact hoarding lol.
HQ base mats such as skins should not even be needed by a high-end crafter such as you. I can see sometimes needing the high quality leather for a lvl 60 1 star item you are making for someone, but you should be able to HQ the leather yourself from NQ mats in your sleep. That is just an excuse to hoard imho.

Refined Alchemy items...well they are decent...but sell slowly as most people just leveled alch to 54 and can make anything they need when they need it for cheap as tears are down from 6k to 2k each.

Edit: I have a friend that gathers everything herself and hoards it all. Claims it saves her gil and blah blah blah. Her 4-man FC are all poor and were saving for a house. I made her sell everything she had in her retainers to me for 10mil gil. She thought she was ripping me off. I sold everything dirt cheap on MB for upwards of 12mil. She now has a large house and has made over 10mil since HW release (not EA either) mining and selling what she gets. She was making over a mil a day at first, now that has gone down to 200-400k she says (not counting dawnbore or maps as she uses those). Stockpiling all those mats does not save you gil. It costs you much much more in deflation and time lost gathering them to begin with.

If you choose to keep them all out of convenience, that is fine. But say it is for convenience. That is why people buy extra retainers, for convenience. She was actually contemplating buying 2 more retainers.

[Kaiser-Ace]

thats the reason I ditched my allag mats, they were worth a tone when I sold them and are now not worth much. I got more out of them selling them imidiatly than holding on to them.

[dspguy]

It was said in OP: "additional" space. You want additional. Pay additional.

[Aeyis]

Hardsilver, mythrite, Aurum Regis sands, etc etc. All are much much cheaper now then even 2 days ago.
Cloth items are the same
Pigments? Really? That is in fact hoarding lol.

Im a crafter first most, not only a gatherer like your friend. Unlike her im still making millions a day even with heavy competition. Having stockpiled resources means I wont have to buy leather off the mb for 30k each every time someone decides to buy out the mbs stock.

I make and sell a good 20-50 chimera felts daily, and yet you said in a previous posts you had something like 300 manes?

I already used most of those. Thats the difference: You sell materials, while I craft those into items and sell them for more.

Im not sure how anyone can argue that keeping materials in stock doesnt save gil...

Edit: I have a friend that gathers everything herself and hoards it all. Claims it saves her gil and blah blah blah. Her 4-man FC are all poor and were saving for a house. I made her sell everything she had in her retainers to me for 10mil gil. She thought she was ripping me off.

I figured the earlier post was bait, replied in a straight manner regardless.



Incidentally im currently making a stock of HQ 1* materials. Im sure your also of the opinion I should be selling those on the mb now? I'm interested in what your thoughts are on this matter.


PS: if your friend only stored ''thrash'' theres no way her inventory would have been worth anywhere near 12m. Its well worth noting that the prices of some items will only rise in price as time goes on.


tl;dr:
Stocking items saves time/gil when you need them (or need them to produce something).
Mine is just an example of an inventory. If I had the time for it I would only stock full stacks of HQ materials. (as I stocked full stacks of NQ materials pre-HW) And no raw materials at all.
HQing that many items takes time I do not currently have. Especially not since retainers and other ventures bring in raw materials constantly, it is required to keep slots for raw materials as well.

[Aeyis]

thats the reason I ditched my allag mats, they were worth a tone when I sold them and are now not worth much. I got more out of them selling them imidiatly than holding on to them.

I just trash those. I do not have enough retainer slots to sell 40k items that may or may not sell in a few days. Something to do with limited amount of selling slots per retainer I believe. For which you need to pay to get more of.