Midgardsormr's Sorrow [SPOILER]

[Jinrya-Geki]

I found it odd Midgarsomr had nothing to say to Nidhogg or Hraesvelgr during their scenes.

He talks with Tiamat, but not them to try and calm them? That makes no sense.

Just odd to me in general.

[EdwinLi]

I found it odd Midgarsomr had nothing to say to Nidhogg or Hraesvelgr during their scenes.

He talks with Tiamat, but not them to try and calm them? That makes no sense.

Just odd to me in general.

It is most likely due to Estinien being there.

Midgar, during those times, didn't want the world to know he has returned and he knows full well Estinien would reveal to the world that Midgar has returned. If the world learned that he had returned it would have started a massive panic so he had to choose who he reveal himself to wisely.

[Musashidon]

It is most likely due to Estinien being there.

Midgar, during those times, didn't want the world to know he has returned and he knows full well Estinien would reveal to the world that Midgar has returned. If the world learned that he had returned it would have started a massive panic so he had to choose who he reveal himself to wisely.

not only this, but nidhogg is beyond saving even midgar says it. he mourns for what nidhogg become.

Hraesvelgr is in the same situation as tiamat (regret) but the difference is if midgard has convinced him to help us things would have played out differently (certain spoilers that i will leave out)but he had ysayle who (from the same spoiler) seems to get close to him.

Ehh.. I dunno, considering how Estinien seemed to be, I'm sure he wouldn't care too much if Middy came out to solve the situation. I mean, I'm also pretty curious how the heck Nidhogg or Hraesvelgr didn't notice Midgardsormr's presence, you'd think they'd be able to detect the specific aether of their dad.

Tbh I think the story of Heavensward 3.0 has way to much of a pro-Ishgard stance and all the awful stuff to the great wyrms is kinda apart of that.

he is the father of them, i wouldn't be shocked if he is strong enough to hide from nearly anyone.

i personally think it was pretty even, the only truely bad dragon was nidhogg, we find out only a small part of each group truely hate each other.

[EdwinLi]

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No matter how a person would put it it seem something tragic has happened to each of Midgar's children.

I hope that the last two at least have a better fate than the curent five since Midgar has a lot of emotional scars left by what has happened to his children but considering how so far none hasn't suffered a horrible fate caused by the world it may just be wishful thinking.

[Musashidon]

No matter how a person would put it it seem something tragic has happened to each of Midgar's children.

mhm! not only that it's his kids, and he is pretty chill about it. (not saying he is happy) just waiting for the day to see midgard go full size and wreck whoever happens to be in his way (hopefully not us!)

[EdwinLi]

mhm! not only that it's his kids, and he is pretty chill about it. (not saying he is happy) just waiting for the day to see midgard go full size and wreck whoever happens to be in his way (hopefully not us!)

Well he had hundreds of years to moar over them so by now most likely he is dried up from the sorrow and is just hardend so he doesn't have it risking his new duty as a being helping the WoL to protect Hydaelyn.

Midgar knows full well that he can't undo the damage done but moaring over it when he had already hundreds of years to do so won't help the remaining children he can still save. It is no doubt hard on him to not moar but he does see the bigger picture of not letting it stop him from save the remaining children like Hraesvelgr.

[Samcaesar]

he is the father of them, i wouldn't be shocked if he is strong enough to hide from nearly anyone.

i personally think it was pretty even, the only truely bad dragon was nidhogg, we find out only a small part of each group truely hate each other.

I mean, maybe mortals couldn't sense him too well, but I find it sooo odd that Hraesvelgr wasn't all "And uh.. Dad what the heck are you doing here". They're such aether attuned beings, you'd think they'd be notice to sense such a unique presence such as father of all dragons.

I dunno, I think the story really poorly handles Nidhogg, like Hraesveglr basically could rein him in whenever.. And yet didn't. Nor does it explain why the heck Midgardsormr or Hraesvelgr couldn't just counter-act Nidhogg's song with their own version of it. Plus I feel it's kinda annoying whenever we help Ishgard kill tons of dragons (Not knowing if they're just living in the Dravania area or attack Ishgard) left and right and we're suppose to be that "neutral" factor to the war. I really hope Ishgard's habits of killing/attack any and all dragons doesn't immediately stop with the end of 3.0, or I'm calling out some shenanigans.

[EdwinLi]

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Well you have to remember Midgar is still in a very weak state in 3.0. As mentioned back in 2.5, Midgar is still recovering so the amount of power he has is very minor which can prevent anyone from noticing his presence. The largest size he can take form in now is the mount form but that is only at the end of 3.0 when he has gain back a slight amount of his powers.

As for Ishgard's hatred of dragons born from a false belief.....

The habit won't stop as shown through Dark Knight Job quest and is even mentioned at the end of 3.0 it will take generations before this habit stops and peace can be obtained.

[Musashidon]

I really hope Ishgard's habits of killing/attack any and all dragons doesn't immediately stop with the end of 3.0, or I'm calling out some shenanigans.

i don't see either side easily just giving up fighting completely. would also be wierd (killing dragons in the new area's when are suppose to be at peace)

can the other great wyrms cancel out each others roars? at most i can see midgard being able to but i see him as a neutral party (as in he won't stop the fighting but he won't help it either he shows this a lot towards us too)

[Samcaesar]

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I mean, is he really? He manages to seal the blessing of Hydaelyn, and also split himself into 3 different physical forms (Minion, Boss, and Mount), just the boss form is incredibly weak due to the whole Silvertear incident.

Eh, false belief or not, it'll be awkward if suddenly they pull a 180 and go "Dragons and heretics aren't so bad!", otherwise the Archbishop's whole deal was meaningless.

I mean, it does, but I feel the story treats Ishgard way to lightly in a lot of the crimes it commits, the whole killing of heretics, attacking harmless dragons, the widespread poverty.. Like they're all noted, but I don't think it'd really addressed properly, like even Aymeric yelling at someone for killing some unarmed heretics or threatening his own men for them wanting to kill some heretics or fleeing dragons would be appreciated, but I don't think he's ever done that.

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I dunno, the lack of a sudden reactionary burst trying to restore honor to the Ishgardian faith with their whole leader leaving or them constantly just listening to Aymeric with him going "Don't kill these guys" and all seemed odd and kinda makes me think a whole "We're good guys now!" Which is about as boring as the whole Ul'dah incident imho.

We don't exactly know if that's possible, but we do know Nidhogg was borrowing Hraesvelgr's power. Seeing as how Nidhogg does stuff with regards to controlling Estinien, why on earth can't Hraesvelgr do the same to the guy who's directly using his eye to keep him alive? I mean, plus by the end of the story you know what happens, and Middy now seems to respect us a whole lot more than he does, you'd think he'd go all "Alright I've got this now"

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You'd think masking your aetheric presence to that degree would be super hard though especially for a dragon, this is like a species that you can read into their consciousness via their eyes. I mean shoot, Ishgard could detect him still being alive through disturbances in the aether using stars, I'm sure his own children would be able to detect him too.

Eeh, it still ends up making a lot of players dislike him (I blame that a bit more on the players though >_>).

Couldn't Midgardsormr hear Nidhogg's song? Like he was the one who alerted us to that whole deal. And if it affects only members of their brood.. Well now that we've got Middy's respect and all that, I don't imagine him not being both willing nor able to sooth Nidhogg's rage.