Bard - they broke my job

[Aikaal]

You would think if it's 80+ pages of people who have leveled bard saying they do not enjoy something(which is the majority of this topic), people who haven't leveled it would understand. But no, people who haven't leveled bard 51 levels only to have it completely change after that point are the ones being less than compassionate on this topic. We voice our opinions only to be met with opposition from people who do like it and people who have never even touched bard in the first place. There are many threads of people coming together and saying they dislike this play style and yet all we're hearing from fellow players is "qq harder" and "git gud". 80+ pages of us saying "we do not enjoy this", and all anyone is taking from that we're whining and just being difficult. This is a hobby, not a chore.

Provide QoL solutions then instead of wasting your time crying. That's why you get this message.

[AnnietheCat]

To you, it's wasting my time. Or our time. The fact of the matter is that we pay a subscription just like you. We pay a subscription just like the people who like the changes. So our "crying", as you so maturely put it, is voicing our opinion on something we pay for. And because we pay for this, just like everyone else, we deserve our opinions to be heard. Just like you and the people who actually play bard and like the changes. It's that simple. And while we're at it, I've been trying to direct everyone's attention to a potential solution: specialization. Similar to the systems of WoW and SWTOR, the individual player would have more freedom as to which direction they want to take their class/job. Of course, that would make giant changes to the current system...but I don't see anyone one either side of the debate making viable suggestions, so we have to start somewhere.

[Aiselia]

It's also frustrating to see people pointing to the fact that the developers say BRD is playing as intended as proof that it's a valid change in style and gameplay. FFXIV 1.0 was playing as designed and intended as well and we all know how that turned out.

Everything "works as intended" until it's balanced or otherwise changed. The argument that it's working as intended therefore get used to it would be more valid if they didn't change things ever before to balance them or otherwise make them better.

[Rikkustrife]

Provide QoL solutions then instead of wasting your time crying. That's why you get this message.

There have been many

[AnnietheCat]

There have been many

No, no, I think they mean QoL solutions they like and/or approve of.

[Aikaal]

The fact of the matter is that we pay a subscription just like you. We pay a subscription just like the people who like the changes.

Nobody forces you to stay if you want to unsubscribe. Just a reminder; SE is the final judge about Jobs balancement. If you want a QoL that won't impact damage, you need to propose solutions. Crying about it won't solve anything. Another job asked QoL and proposed solutions and SE agreed.

From what I see, I'm talking to people with deaf ears. There is no point continuing to post on this thread lol. You might as well conitnue so it's 100+ pages of complains and cries. Look what it lead you so far.

There have been many

I'd like to see the compilation of the QoL that was said. Because if they are buried in this thread, I'm not reading 80 pages.

[AnnietheCat]

Nobody forces you to stay if you want to unsubscribe. Just a reminder; SE is the final judge about Jobs balancement..

And yet you're here to tell us that you don't like our opinions and therefore we should stop "crying" and just get used to it. You're here to tell us to shut up about it, yet you don't play this job and you have no QoL solutions to suggest because you don't play this job. None of us are saying we're forced to sub to it. But you and others act like your opinions are superior to ours because you like the changes(even though you don't play bard. idek). We do not enjoy this. Our opinions matter as much as anyone else's because we pay to play just as everyone else does. I'm not sure what you're not grasping about that fact. So if you're going to sit here and tell us to stop "crying", go level bard and come back with solutions that you say need to be proposed.

[Aiselia]

I'd like to see the compilation of the QoL that was said. Because if they are buried in this thread, I'm not reading 80 pages.

Why should anyone else dig through 80 pages and/or other posts to list them for you? You're irrelevant.

The fact remains that they're there. It doesn't matter if you know what they are, because you have no say on whether they get implemented either.

[Rikkustrife]

I'd like to see the compilation of the QoL that was said. Because if they are buried in this thread, I'm not reading 80 pages.

Having wanderer's minuet drain mp instead of cast, making it so a bard would have to choose between support and damage buff, so they can increase damage when support is not required.

Having wanderer's minuet have a damage buff while not moving, if the player moves buff is moved.

Having warden's paeon give 5 stacks so the next 5 weapons skills are instant, every use of bloodletter gives another stack while warden's paeon is up, warden's paeon will last a certain amount of time and be on cooldown

Have bloodletter be able to be used during the cast times.

keep auto attacks during wanderer's minuet

These are 5 things people have said, and there is more

[Snowaeth]

Provide QoL solutions then instead of wasting your time crying. That's why you get this message.

I actually agree with Aikaal on this one.
There have indeed been a couple of QoL solutions spread through these threads, but none of them were focused in one theread and mostly burried by a lot of back and forth.
I ran out of daily forum posts yesterday to reply again, so I had edited my post a couple pages back with my suggestions and I'm fairly positive at this point almost no one even saw those.

So I do suggest we focus our efforts into a bard QoL/Fix thread. Not a thread to be mad, qq etc. Just focus on suggesting solutions.
I went ahead and started one up, in the hopes it won't get flooded by the angry mob before it gets some good suggestions going.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...24#post3136424