You can look WM and BRD from this perspective.

[Gallus]

It is a fact WM adds to the BRD job a degree of complexity it never had in the expansion (you literally had 4 GCD skills in your entire rotation -.-). No offense...but there wasn't much difference between a very good BRD and an ok BRD in ARR provided they both dodged stuff and sang.

However, in 3.0 it is a 100% fact there will be a far wider difference between good BRDs and bad BRDs. And this isn't a personal opinion, it's a pretty obvious fact.

Knowing which phases of the fight require you to move and appropriately turn off minuette and in which phases of the fight you can go dummy mode and unleash all your fury with minuette will drastically separate good BRDs from bad ones and give this job FAR more depth than it had before (it had none...). Your BRD derps will no longer consist on missing that bloodletter nobody even noticed; now, things like turning on minuette in say Ravana EX when the balls pop up and start chasing you will result in a harsh DPS loss, but same goes for the opposite, not turning it on at all will also result in a harsh DPS loss.
I don't know about BRD players but I personally welcome every change that adds a greater degree of complexity to my job and allows me to stand out from the other players. Take this as a chance to shine in a job you never could in the first place because let's face it...it never required too much thought.

[KyteStones]

This is still being talked about? :/

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

This is still being talked about? :/

Yes sir—it is. And you best believe the legions of Minuet haters will be here soon. Prepare yourself, the Bards are coming. . .

[Wavaryen]

Skill level does not matter to me. A class being hard or easy does not matter to many people. The bottom line is what is fun for that person or not.

I always find it funny that people want classes to be harder, Or worry about skill gaps from decent to good players. Why such pointless competition? I would argue the other way around. Some classes SHOULD be simpler. We should have classes that are tough, but fun for people who like it. We should have classes that are simple and fun for them as well.

[SakuraMidori]

Act a good bard played there songs according to what was going on and needed a bad bard just try to dps and ignore there songs. But i guess in your eyes playing songs and knowing when to do them and use them was something no body notice? yeaa rightt i'm all for WM but saying bard had nothing to do in ARR is a bit ignorant.

[SovereignAegis]

Fact is at the end of the day it absolutely ruined Bard's playstyle, they used to weave Off-GCD abilities that proc'd for short intervals between their other abilities and now even the slightest flaw will absolutely tank their DPS.

And they used to be super mobile, we already have enough casters in this game with cast bards (oops, cast BARS) and so Bard was the only option for people who didn't want cast timers out their butt.

With MCH? I can understand the Gauss barrel cast times BECAUSE IT IS NEW. Bards? BARDS ARE OLD!!!!!!! People playing Bard for months, even YEARS didn't ask for this playstyle of casting! We already have BLM if we want cast times >.>



Bards are now just bow-mages. They aren't Bards anymore.

[ThanMazus]

Yes sir—it is. And you best believe the legions of Minuet haters will be here soon. Prepare yourself, the Bards are coming. . .

Discussion? On forums?!

The humanity.

[Gallus]

The bottom line is what is fun for that person or not.

That's precisely what I don't understand. I'm banging my head on the wall trying to figure out what was exactly fun about this job. BRD had 4 GCD skills, straight shot, 2 dots and heavy shot. Your entire rotation consisted on 4 buttons. All you had to was weave your buffs, bloodletters, misery's end and if you really were serious about it repelling shot and blunt arrow between your 4 GCD skills. It was a job that literally took 3 days to min max.
Where's this fun factor you speak of?

[UBERHAXED]

That's precisely what I don't understand. I'm banging my head on the wall trying to figure out what was exactly fun about this job. BRD had 4 GCD skills, straight shot, 2 dots and heavy shot. Your entire rotation consisted on 4 buttons. All you had to was weave your buffs, bloodletters, misery's end and if you really were serious about it repelling shot and blunt arrow between your 4 GCD skills. It was a job that literally took 3 days to min max.
Where's this fun factor you speak of?

That s what I was trying to figure out. They have 4 skills 3 of which they press about every 20 seconds. Where is this fun? Running around in circles pressing heavy shot while watching netflix? I've been playing bard since launch and still don't know what people talking about when they talk about "playstyle".

[Catwho]

You know what I've found fun since the introduction of WM? 4K Sidewinders. Pounding out 6K dammage with a Barrage Empyreal Arrow. I hit a 2K crit bloodletter the other day.

I won't win the DPS parse if I'm doing my job right, of course (esp with a caster in the party), but it's nice to finally see some big numbers on BRD too.