I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[EdwinLi]

I think you missed the whole explanation in the live letter where they said they will not increase dps without losing mobility. It's called balance. Had nothing to do with the support skills. The support skills just make the job required in raids.

Ya the new live letter confirmed my suspecion on why Bard had low DPS in the first place.

Bard's mobility gave them a advantage over both Melee and Mage DPS which preventing them from facing any risk their HP with the only thing that can threating them is player error.

To balance their high mobility over the other DPS Job SE lowered Bard's DPS to prevent Bard from becoming the Perfect DPS Job that has no flaws.

Now to give them higher DPS that can get them near or same DPS as the other DPS Jobs they must sacrifice their mobility to balance out their gameplay.

[Lillia]

Ya the new live letter confirmed my suspicion on why Bard had low DPS in the first place.

Bard's mobility gave them a advantage over both Melee and Mage DPS which preventing them from facing any risk their HP with the only thing that can threatened them is player error.

To balance their high mobility over the other DPS Job SE lowered Bard's DPS to prevent Bard from becoming the Perfect DPS Job that has no flaws.

Now to give them higher DPS that can get them near or same DPS as the other DPS Jobs they must sacrifice their mobility to balance out their gameplay.

Basically almost nailed it here. It was also "Bards can attack while moving, therefore they have advantage over handling mechanics as well as the ability to support party members."

[Snowaeth]

Ya the new live letter confirmed my suspecion on why Bard had low DPS in the first place.

Bard's mobility gave them a advantage over both Melee and Mage DPS which preventing them from facing any risk their HP with the only thing that can threating them is player error.

To balance their high mobility over the other DPS Job SE lowered Bard's DPS to prevent Bard from becoming the Perfect DPS Job that has no flaws.

Now to give them higher DPS that can get them near or same DPS as the other DPS Jobs they must sacrifice their mobility to balance out their gameplay.

Only the way they fixed it was slapping a skill on top of a skill kit that doesn't work properly with it since the kit wasn't built for cast times.
The idea is not wrong, the execution is.

And to top it off, the stance does not bring the dps on par with the other dps, while it does put the BRD in a spot where they do loose their advantage over the other classes meaning that it should bring them on par with casters if they manage to stay in this stance the whole time.

Now you would argue, "but BRD has utility", however that's when the built in 15% dmg reduction comes in. If bard would use the utility they will end up below the other dps, but if not they should be on par since they don't have the advantages that everyone speaks of anymore.

So yeah, bards still have plenty to complain about. It's not the actual change that's the main issue though and what people seem to misunderstand.
It's the fact that it's implemented so poorly.

[Kaedan]

We're not moving any more/less than we were before, why does everyone think we have less mobility when we don't?

I guess the ADHD players that ran around all the time just because they could?

[Snowaeth]

We're not moving any more/less than we were before, why does everyone think we have less mobility when we don't?

That's like asking why does BLM have more dmg than the BRD?
They'r not moving any more/less than the a BRD in WM either.

The reasoning behind the lowered dmg from what he was saying was mobility.
Well in WM that reason is gone, so where's the damage?

Let alone that WM actually breaks the flow of OGCD abilities since it does not allow for double weaving.
Compared to a BLM or MCH kit that were made to work with what they have where BLM barely have any OGCD's to watch for and MCH can force instant casts on their abilities to gurantee easy OGCD usage or movement.
The bard has a non stop flow of OGCD abilities which in WM can not be done fluently since it doesn't fit the kit in it's current state.

[Sicno]

The big problem here is that all the adjustments they'll eventually make will be around balancing WM when the fact is that WE DON'T WANT TO USE WM AT ALL.

[sucht]

Fun is subjective.

it is "NOT" applicable here i think because,
i've chosen the class because i like/love to have "fun"(the way it is played) with the class i've chose, this is a decision every player has to make based on the things he likes and therefor chooses the class and later the job that fits his way of "fun", if this is not true then everyone would play the same thing.(or is this wrong?)

i have to say i'm at a loss atm because of this, true my main is a Archer LvL25 but it is "fun" to play and it is the thing i want to play.

this destroys the "fun" i have atm, if i have to relearn everything, or have to play something i don't want to play, but as i said i'm just a LvL 25 Archer so i have to see and try it out because i really "Like" the game.

[sucht]

part two or just more of me :/


and sorry if this is not the right forum thread to ask this, but there seem to be a lot of "Experts" here, or not?
are there any guides i can read up, for better understanding what i have in front of me?(leveling an archer/pugilist to a bard and LvL60)

btw, sorry for my english, and i hope i could explain good enough what i tried to say.

[UBERHAXED]

And to top it off, the stance does not bring the dps on par with the other dps, while it does put the BRD in a spot where they do loose their advantage over the other classes meaning that it should bring them on par with casters if they manage to stay in this stance the whole time.

Now you would argue, "but BRD has utility", however that's when the built in 15% dmg reduction comes in. If bard would use the utility they will end up below the other dps, but if not they should be on par since they don't have the advantages that everyone speaks of anymore.

So yeah, bards still have plenty to complain about. It's not the actual change that's the main issue though and what people seem to misunderstand.
It's the fact that it's implemented so poorly.

Doesn't work like that. If bard does as much dps as a mage, then people won't bring mages because bard is BETTER not the same. The fact that they even have support skills which no other class has give them an advantage in party selection. The only to balance it so all classes get chosen in content is to differ their dps based on there advantage. Then they balance the skill in the fight so there's a downside to having buffs up 100%. What is the issue here? If bards have no penalty for songs, then people will stack bards so they have 100% up time. Also, casters are literally rooted to the ground 100% of the time. Bard cast is less than GCD.

[Snowaeth]

Doesn't work like that. If bard does as much dps as a mage, then people won't bring mages because bard is BETTER not the same. The fact that they even have support skills which no other class has give them an advantage in party selection. The only to balance it so all classes get chosen in content is to differ their dps based on there advantage. Then they balance the skill in the fight so there's a downside to having buffs up 100%. What is the issue here? If bards have no penalty for songs, then people will stack bards so they have 100% up time. Also, casters are literally rooted to the ground 100% of the time. Bard cast is less than GCD.

Warrior can literally outdps bard right now.
Why don't we see Warriors being stacked yet with your logic?

What is bards utility of songs without casters in party? TP/MP regen. How much of that is needed? Just one bard is enough.
Foe's would still put mages ahead of bards in that regard and BLM comes with Apoc, virust, e4e and smn with rez, stronger virus and e4e.

And like I just mentioned, the regen songs themselves already have built in dps reduction, by simply using them the dmg would alredy be lowered.
Also in raids there are plenty of mechanics that affect physical but not magical dmg, thus having the need for magic dps which can be buffed by foe's making it worth not stacking bards.
Let alone how the LB generation works promoting no class stacking.

The only reason bard was ever stacked in 2.0 is because they could output high dps while not being affected by mechanics so much due to freedom of movement.
This is not the case anymore, we need to be inside WM now giving us cast times, thus removing that advantage of why you'd stack bard even more.