I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[Snowaeth]

Ya the new live letter confirmed my suspecion on why Bard had low DPS in the first place.

Bard's mobility gave them a advantage over both Melee and Mage DPS which preventing them from facing any risk their HP with the only thing that can threating them is player error.

To balance their high mobility over the other DPS Job SE lowered Bard's DPS to prevent Bard from becoming the Perfect DPS Job that has no flaws.

Now to give them higher DPS that can get them near or same DPS as the other DPS Jobs they must sacrifice their mobility to balance out their gameplay.

Only the way they fixed it was slapping a skill on top of a skill kit that doesn't work properly with it since the kit wasn't built for cast times.
The idea is not wrong, the execution is.

And to top it off, the stance does not bring the dps on par with the other dps, while it does put the BRD in a spot where they do loose their advantage over the other classes meaning that it should bring them on par with casters if they manage to stay in this stance the whole time.

Now you would argue, "but BRD has utility", however that's when the built in 15% dmg reduction comes in. If bard would use the utility they will end up below the other dps, but if not they should be on par since they don't have the advantages that everyone speaks of anymore.

So yeah, bards still have plenty to complain about. It's not the actual change that's the main issue though and what people seem to misunderstand.
It's the fact that it's implemented so poorly.

[Kaedan]

We're not moving any more/less than we were before, why does everyone think we have less mobility when we don't?

I guess the ADHD players that ran around all the time just because they could?

[Snowaeth]

We're not moving any more/less than we were before, why does everyone think we have less mobility when we don't?

That's like asking why does BLM have more dmg than the BRD?
They'r not moving any more/less than the a BRD in WM either.

The reasoning behind the lowered dmg from what he was saying was mobility.
Well in WM that reason is gone, so where's the damage?

Let alone that WM actually breaks the flow of OGCD abilities since it does not allow for double weaving.
Compared to a BLM or MCH kit that were made to work with what they have where BLM barely have any OGCD's to watch for and MCH can force instant casts on their abilities to gurantee easy OGCD usage or movement.
The bard has a non stop flow of OGCD abilities which in WM can not be done fluently since it doesn't fit the kit in it's current state.

[UBERHAXED]

And to top it off, the stance does not bring the dps on par with the other dps, while it does put the BRD in a spot where they do loose their advantage over the other classes meaning that it should bring them on par with casters if they manage to stay in this stance the whole time.

Now you would argue, "but BRD has utility", however that's when the built in 15% dmg reduction comes in. If bard would use the utility they will end up below the other dps, but if not they should be on par since they don't have the advantages that everyone speaks of anymore.

So yeah, bards still have plenty to complain about. It's not the actual change that's the main issue though and what people seem to misunderstand.
It's the fact that it's implemented so poorly.

Doesn't work like that. If bard does as much dps as a mage, then people won't bring mages because bard is BETTER not the same. The fact that they even have support skills which no other class has give them an advantage in party selection. The only to balance it so all classes get chosen in content is to differ their dps based on there advantage. Then they balance the skill in the fight so there's a downside to having buffs up 100%. What is the issue here? If bards have no penalty for songs, then people will stack bards so they have 100% up time. Also, casters are literally rooted to the ground 100% of the time. Bard cast is less than GCD.

[Snowaeth]

Doesn't work like that. If bard does as much dps as a mage, then people won't bring mages because bard is BETTER not the same. The fact that they even have support skills which no other class has give them an advantage in party selection. The only to balance it so all classes get chosen in content is to differ their dps based on there advantage. Then they balance the skill in the fight so there's a downside to having buffs up 100%. What is the issue here? If bards have no penalty for songs, then people will stack bards so they have 100% up time. Also, casters are literally rooted to the ground 100% of the time. Bard cast is less than GCD.

Warrior can literally outdps bard right now.
Why don't we see Warriors being stacked yet with your logic?

What is bards utility of songs without casters in party? TP/MP regen. How much of that is needed? Just one bard is enough.
Foe's would still put mages ahead of bards in that regard and BLM comes with Apoc, virust, e4e and smn with rez, stronger virus and e4e.

And like I just mentioned, the regen songs themselves already have built in dps reduction, by simply using them the dmg would alredy be lowered.
Also in raids there are plenty of mechanics that affect physical but not magical dmg, thus having the need for magic dps which can be buffed by foe's making it worth not stacking bards.
Let alone how the LB generation works promoting no class stacking.

The only reason bard was ever stacked in 2.0 is because they could output high dps while not being affected by mechanics so much due to freedom of movement.
This is not the case anymore, we need to be inside WM now giving us cast times, thus removing that advantage of why you'd stack bard even more.

[UBERHAXED]

Warrior can literally outdps bard right now.
Why don't we see Warriors being stacked yet with your logic?
...
The only reason bard was ever stacked in 2.0 is because they could output high dps while not being affected by mechanics so much due to freedom of movement.
This is not the case anymore, we need to be inside WM now giving us cast times, thus removing that advantage of why you'd stack bard even more.

Warriors aren't stacked because bard is better (read the statement you quoted)... If you read into the statement, you'd realize that everything you mentioned has been adjusted with anti stacking measures. Remember virus in 2.0? You probably don't but you used to have 100% uptime. Now, why would anyone but the scholar use virus when you get the same immunity? Apocostasis? That used to be the worst move in the game until adjustments. I think the point went over your head. But you seem to get the point in your final statement, so that confuses me. Do you know why they restricted mobility and increased dps?

[AdamFyi]

Warrior can literally outdps bard right now.
Why don't we see Warriors being stacked yet with your logic?

This was answered in the Live Letter a couple of days ago.

Q4. Even though they’re a tank, warriors can deal a lot of damage, will paladin and dark knight be able to deal a similar amount of damage?

A4. The reason warriors DPS is high is because they have a debuff where they can decrease a target’s slashing resistance.

As an off tank, dark knights can also utilize the benefits from this debuff’s effect and that will also allow them to output similar amounts of damage. Paladins are specialized in defense so their damage output is a little bit lower.

As for how warriors can output more DPS while main tanking, paladins have strong physical damage reduction and powerful actions like Hallowed Ground, dark knights have a strong magical damage reduction in Dark Mind, so these are the differences from the job designs.

If resistance is being brought into this, quite possibly, with a Bard and Dragoon pairing, the Bard would do more damage, no? o:

[Snowaeth]

This was answered in the Live Letter a couple of days ago.



If resistance is being brought into this, quite possibly, with a Bard and Dragoon pairing, the Bard would do more damage, no? o:

With that logic you can say the DRG does less damage than the other melee by like 120dps because DRG comes with piercing resist down.
Then with the same logic DRG should be parsing 10% above the other melee dps because you know, without the resist down it does less right?
Yet the DRG is balanced around doing dmg with that piercing resist debuff up.

Just because they'r the developers doesn't make their excuse right.

Bard doesn't come with a built in piercing resistance down debuff, if we did then this argument could be made.

Also even with the DRG debuff bard is doing about the same as WAR because it's behind WAR without the debuff.