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  1. #311
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    Cirgellon's Avatar
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    Cirgellon Dailemont
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    Behemoth
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    Archer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    You misunderstood my point. Let me elaborate. In my opinion, WM should have been something like this:

    Wanderer's Minuet
    Cast Time: 3s
    Cooldown: 2.5s
    Description: Increases your damage by X%. MP is drained while singing. Effect ends upon reuse. Cannot be used with other songs.

    I really like this type of idea. They could also add another good support song or two making bards mp management a huge part of the class.

    I don't mind being support and I don't mind doing less damage than other classes. The damage can't be so low that we are almost useless (no WM right now) and I don't want cast times. That's all I ask for. Respectable damage while leaving the class to play like it always has.
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  2. #312
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    Adam Fylrmyn
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Cirgellon View Post
    That's all I ask for. Respectable damage while leaving the class to play like it always has.
    You can't have absolute mobility and good damage. That's way too overpowered and difficult to balance around. You also have to balance around group content. If their damage isn't good enough, they may get excluded in favour if Machinist.
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  3. #313
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    Beatdown's Avatar
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    Sage Blackheart
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    Jenova
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    Archer Lv 60
    I dislike every thing about Wanderer's Minuet. The yellow particle effect. The sound of some one drinking a slupree every time I shoot. Most of all the cast times that makes the game play feel like garbage.

    I play with 200ms and it never was an issue before WM. Now? I have to deal with cast interrupts when a mob gets out of my narrow cone. I got frustrated and stopped using WM. I got called out for not using it and kicked from a party. Rightfully so, I wasn't playing to my fullest potential. I stopped playing after that.

    I tried the other range classes. Which again due to the narrow casting cone and extreme sensitivity to having a good ping I also suffered "cast interrupted". MCH is in the same place as BRD. Melee classes have never jived with me.

    I love the final fantasy IP. I loved every thing about the 2.0 bard.

    I was extremely saddened after todays live letter. Now I am unsubscribed from the game and sitting here reading this thread instead of enjoying the expansion.
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  4. #314
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    Vespar's Avatar
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    Leyna Crosse
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    Goblin
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    Summoner Lv 100
    All the changes to Bard have really done for me is make me quit my main job which I loved, and put a small fear in me that any other class I play in the future, may be wrecked at a moments notice.
    Now I dont want to get attached to another class because Im afraid they'll damage its fun factor or nerf it in a way that will kill it for me....
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  5. #315
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    Reinha's Avatar
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Odin
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamFyi View Post
    You can't have absolute mobility and good damage. That's way too overpowered and difficult to balance around.
    Then why was it possible in ARR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vespar View Post
    All the changes to Bard have really done for me is make me quit my main job which I loved, and put a small fear in me that any other class I play in the future, may be wrecked at a moments notice.
    Now I dont want to get attached to another class because Im afraid they'll damage its fun factor or nerf it in a way that will kill it for me....
    I feel the same. Ever since I first started playing MMOs five years ago I've played classes that focus on damage over time. In WoW I loved playing druid, dk, hunter and warlock. Here I have very limited choices for my preferred playstyle: bard and summoner. I never signed up for awkward stance dancing when I leveled bard, and now I have only summoner left in order to enjoy the dps role. Every other dps class has combos (or repeat casting in the case of blm) instead of a priority system with dots. It worries me that they will someday break another class I like beyond repair... When that day comes I don't know if anything will keep me playing.
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    Last edited by Reinha; 07-11-2015 at 08:19 AM.
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  6. #316
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    UBERHAXED's Avatar
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    Seraph Khalid
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    Faerie
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Then why was it possible in ARR?
    The reason they fixed it... Also I don't know what you were smoking but bard last out of 6 dps by a large margin is not good DPS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post

    I feel the same. Ever since I first started playing MMOs five years ago I've played classes that focus on damage over time. In WoW I loved playing druid, dk, hunter and warlock. Here I have very limited choices for my preferred playstyle: bard and summoner. I never signed up for awkward stance dancing when I leveled bard, and now I have only summoner left in order to enjoy the dps role. Every other dps class has combos (or repeat casting in the case of blm) instead of a priority system with dots. It worries me that they will someday break another class I like beyond repair... When that day comes I don't know if anything will keep me playing.
    Focus on dots? WTF? Out of dps, bard has the fewest DoT even available to use... Now you're just making stuff up.
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  7. #317
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    Ephemiel's Avatar
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    Anevyae Telbrenique
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 70
    http://wow.gamepedia.com/Sniper_Training

    This is ALL they had to do, not make BRDs casters.
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  8. #318
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    ThanMazus's Avatar
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    Than Mazus
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    Cactuar
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    Archer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemiel View Post
    http://wow.gamepedia.com/Sniper_Training

    This is ALL they had to do, not make BRDs casters.
    This ought to send the WoW-ragers right off the deep end
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  9. #319
    Player Wavaryen's Avatar
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    Teladi Bishop
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    Balmung
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamFyi View Post
    You can't have absolute mobility and good damage. That's way too overpowered and difficult to balance around. You also have to balance around group content. If their damage isn't good enough, they may get excluded in favour if Machinist.
    What? So other mmos who have the same concept and a better combat system is op because of freedom of movement?


    People need to get over it. Classes should be about play style, Harder Easier none of that matters, what matters is fun, and what they bring to a group.
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  10. #320
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    Ephemiel's Avatar
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    Anevyae Telbrenique
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ThanMazus View Post
    This ought to send the WoW-ragers right off the deep end
    Ehh, idc much about WoW-ragers. They can get eaten by a Dravanian.
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