I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[Cirgellon]

You misunderstood my point. Let me elaborate. In my opinion, WM should have been something like this:

Wanderer's Minuet
Cast Time: 3s
Cooldown: 2.5s
Description: Increases your damage by X%. MP is drained while singing. Effect ends upon reuse. Cannot be used with other songs.

I really like this type of idea. They could also add another good support song or two making bards mp management a huge part of the class.

I don't mind being support and I don't mind doing less damage than other classes. The damage can't be so low that we are almost useless (no WM right now) and I don't want cast times. That's all I ask for. Respectable damage while leaving the class to play like it always has.

[AdamFyi]

That's all I ask for. Respectable damage while leaving the class to play like it always has.

You can't have absolute mobility and good damage. That's way too overpowered and difficult to balance around. You also have to balance around group content. If their damage isn't good enough, they may get excluded in favour if Machinist.

[Wavaryen]

You can't have absolute mobility and good damage. That's way too overpowered and difficult to balance around. You also have to balance around group content. If their damage isn't good enough, they may get excluded in favour if Machinist.

What? So other mmos who have the same concept and a better combat system is op because of freedom of movement?


People need to get over it. Classes should be about play style, Harder Easier none of that matters, what matters is fun, and what they bring to a group.

[UBERHAXED]

What? So other mmos who have the same concept and a better combat system is op because of freedom of movement?


People need to get over it. Classes should be about play style, Harder Easier none of that matters, what matters is fun, and what they bring to a group.

No they should be about balance. It's a good thing that no one on the development team shares this terrible opinion and actually think about content balance and class balance.

[Duelle]

No they should be about balance. It's a good thing that no one on the development team shares this terrible opinion and actually think about content balance and class balance.

You can have classes with different gameplay styles performing equally or close to equally in content. Making classes mechanically similar is a shortcut, and a bad one at that.

The balance to ARC/BRD gameplay was that despite constantly using abilities and being able to attack while moving, their damage per skill was low compared to other jobs. That was sort of the point. BRD = steady trickle of water. BLM = bucket of water. Or are you going to tell me that a Bloodletter/Misery's End crit was anywhere near the same postal code as a crit Fire III or Flare?

[Wavaryen]

You can have classes with different gameplay styles performing equally or close to equally in content. Making classes mechanically similar is a shortcut, and a bad one at that.

The balance to ARC/BRD gameplay was that despite constantly using abilities and being able to attack while moving, their damage per skill was low compared to other jobs. That was sort of the point. BRD = steady trickle of water. BLM = bucket of water. Or are you going to tell me that a Bloodletter/Misery's End crit was anywhere near the same postal code as a crit Fire III or Flare?

I stop trying to use logic.

[Rikkustrife]

You can't have absolute mobility and good damage. That's way too overpowered and difficult to balance around. You also have to balance around group content. If their damage isn't good enough, they may get excluded in favour if Machinist.

How is it overpowered if we don't do more damage than the other classes?
Bard is easier to play with minuet on, since it's slower and no auto attacks so can face away from boss with no damage loss, so get good doesn't really make sense.
and they should be balanced, but balance should not come at the expense of fun

[UBERHAXED]

How is it overpowered if we don't do more damage than the other classes?
Bard is easier to play with minuet on, since it's slower and no auto attacks so can face away from boss with no damage loss, so get good doesn't really make sense.
and they should be balanced, but balance should not come at the expense of fun

They said in the very first sentence (and I even mentioned it before the live letter) that the reason for the change was that bards had an advantage in doing mechanics? How can the scale the difficulty of fights as our gear get better? Make more mechanics that require you to move around, which hurts every class other than bard? Make more DPS checks, which in that case people will just drop every class but melee from their groups? You don't even use this "freedom of movement" to do anything. What were you even doing when you could (and still can BTW, 1 cast doesn't consume the entire GCD unlike other classes) move between attacks?

[AdamFyi]

How is it overpowered if we don't do more damage than the other classes?

Please read the post of the person I was replying to, thank you. Plainly put, the suggestion isn't balanced at all. Consuming your own resource for increased damage sounds like a good idea on paper, but in practice, it's a liability and most likely cause Bards to be excluded. Now if we were to try to put something balanced that fits with the Bard want, it would be something like this;

LV58 The Wanderer's Paeon (Cooldown: 70 seconds)
The next 5 Weaponskills will be Instant and have potency reduced by 20. Damage Over Time effects are unaffected.
Can only be used under the effect of Wanderer's Minuet.
Additional Effect: Critical hits will increase the stacks of Wanderer's Paeon up to a maximum of 5 stacks.
Duration: 60 seconds

LV12 Bloodletter (Cooldown: 15 seconds)
Delivers an attack with a potency of 150.
Shares a recast timer with Rain of Death.
Additional Effect: Increases stacks of the Wanderer's Paeon.