Bard - they broke my job

[Arrik]

Bard 1,1k DPS on Oppressor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-c_7WUIlXM

Put your dummies away, and parse real fights.

And? The more mobile SMN parsed 29% higher. If we do the damage in the same way (casting) we should parse closer. Not 29% lower because "muh support" or "muh mobility," especially when we don't really have that anymore.

Edit: Or are you saying it's ok to be 29% behind another DPS, and getting 4 of them in a DF run so they are all 29% less is ok? I don't happen to think it is, especially on a DPS check.

[Leonus]

On real fights, everyone parses lower. Not just bards....

Let brds parse the same... that's fine. This game will turn into ffbard. Also, if that's the case, tell people to stop comparing brd dummy parses and melee dummy parses and crying about how they parse 300 dps higher or whatever it is now.

The brd was 10% or less in dps behind the melee and the melee were behind the smn too....

[Arrik]

On real fights, everyone parses lower. Not just bards....

Yep, and the gap is still the same, and the mindset behind it is still there.

Let brds parse the same... that's fine. This game will turn into ffbard. Also, if that's the case, tell people to stop comparing brd dummy parses and melee dummy parses and crying about how they parse 300 dps higher or whatever it is now.

Really? Because I don't see 4 SMN in that fight, or BLM. I'd don't want to parse better than melee, I want to parse as a Caster, in Caster stance.

[Leonus]

Yep, and the gap is still the same, and the mindset behind it is still there.


Really? Because I don't see 4 SMN in that fight, or BLM. I'd don't want to parse better than melee, I want to parse as a Caster, in Caster stance.

Gap between casters? Or melee? At least the brd can multidot efficiently in the fight. I want to do that as a melee.

Blm have worst cast times than brd. Brds don't hold up to theirs.

They could have run 4 smns of that level, it would have been faster. The melee were not needed except to maybe use lb. If brds did the same, their bursts would be higher and they would be even faster than than the smns.

[Arrik]

Blm have worst cast times than brd. Brds don't hold up to theirs.

The could have run 4 smns, it would have been faster. If brds did the same, their bursts would be higher and they would be even faster than than the smns.

Yes, and there are threads about BLMs too. I want all the casters to be about equal.

[Seifa]

Bard 1,1k DPS on Oppressor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-c_7WUIlXM

Put your dummies away, and parse real fights.

Oh look, 1,1k with multi dot!

I don't deny that BRD is in a good position after the last patch, but still, stop climbing on glass. Without a DRG, like a SMN without Foe, we won't put up those numbers.

Before the second phase i didn't see this amazing dps... because that's normal to do with a BRD full 180+ plus fully buffed on a DUMMY FIGHT, because that's what Oppressor is until the split up, then bard can multi dot and still being outdpsed by everyone!

Seriously, stop being so overly positive. We still are bottom DPS because we are "support" but there isn't a support role for duty finder because that would require work to implement.

[Johaan]

Gotta say, from reading all this crying and saltiness, seems like some brds want to the same or pretty much close to other pure DPS jobs + party wide buffs + mobility (still the most mobile class in game, you just have to stance dance now) is asking to be OP as hell. Have to have some trade offs somewhere, or people will only take BRDs in heavy AOE fights where melees have to stop DPSing constantly. reminds me of the early 2.xx days lol

A12. Bards can attack while moving, therefore they have advantage over handling mechanics as well as the ability to support party members. Our image of bards from the development side is that by making them stationary in 3.0, they are now able to increase their DPS. However, we made adjustments so bards will be able to switch between their stances easier. This doesn’t mean that they won’t be able to deal damage while moving, and bards will understand when to switch between stances once they get used to the content, as well as experiment how they can output more DPS changing between stances.

might actually play BRD or MCH now since the stance dancing adds a whole new layer on how jobs play.

[Snugglebutt]

...might actually play BRD or MCH now since the stance dancing adds a whole new layer on how jobs play.

Do it then come back to this thread and see if feel the same. Practical knowledge/experience might give you a different perspective instead of an outsider looking in through tinted glass and leaving snide comments or mere assumptions.

[Aiselia]

party wide buffs

Actually, if it meant I could do more DPS during the times where songs aren't needed, I'd gladly give up "Party-wide" buffs in an instant.

I've said it before and I guess I have to say it again, "party-wide" means nothing. Your melee/tanks will not need MP. Your casters won't either if they're played right. Your healers might, although less likely if people don't keep dying and draining MP on revives.

So let's say I'm doing a 4-person dungeon with a warrior, white mage, dragoon, and bard. In that case, what does it matter if my ballad affects 4 people or 1?

Let's say I'm in a raid with a WAR, PLD, WHM, SCH, BRD, MNK, BLM, and DRG. Why does it matter if my song affects the entire party if only 2 people are even possibly going to benefit from it and the other 6 won't?