Bard - they broke my job

[Arrik]

Live Letter Stuff:

Q3. Any plans to add new role category such as “buffer” for jobs specialized in support like machinist and bards?

A3. We currently have no plans for this. The main reason behind this is because it will greatly affect the matching in the Duty Finder.

I agree with you, so stop double dipping into our DPS (10% off our WD off the top and 15% to "support") since we're not support. We're DPS w/ support, like every other DPS.

Q12. The bard playstyle changed a lot in 3.0. Can you please let us know how bards are supposed to fight from here on out?

A12. Bards can attack while moving, therefore they have advantage over handling mechanics as well as the ability to support party members. Our image of bards from the development side is that by making them stationary in 3.0, they are now able to increase their DPS. However, we made adjustments so bards will be able to switch between their stances easier. This doesn’t mean that they won’t be able to deal damage while moving, and bards will understand when to switch between stances once they get used to the content, as well as experiment how they can output more DPS changing between stances.

Yes, we can attack while moving, for the 30% boost WM gives our damage now. Sure that's mitigated somewhat by our det nerfed autoattacks, but we're still being punished for our mobility. Every job can support somehow, and we are punished twice for it. Switching stances easier is fine, we're still going to lose the dps boost WM gives to our lower DPS to do so, and continue to be farther behind others in our role. Still need to fix oGCD related matters since the job wasn't originally built for this playstyle.

Hello

Live Letter XXIII its over, and Yoshi-P said that WM its fine and They are not gonna change it

If You are not enjoying current bard state, maybe reroll time?.

NIN, DRG, SMN look really fun currently

Leaning toward letting the subscription run out until we get more story personally, it's money I could sink into another game. I have been having fun w/ my DRG alt though.

[Ooshima]

Any scenario like that you'd gain far more DPS from dropping out of WM for a second and getting in a gcd w/aa or two than using a single GCD and hoping you can cast again, when you can easily stance right back into WM.

Also if the waste was in reference to my comments I never called it a waste, I said it was a waste to use it and not use HS in the situation he brought up, not the skill itself.

Dropping WM stance is only an option when you have no other oGCD on queue. It is eventually a DPS loss if you have a few buffs/oGCD that has to go, especially BL, because toggling on itself is considered an oGCD move.

There's just alot of prioritization going around.

[Arrik]

Bard 1,1k DPS on Oppressor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-c_7WUIlXM

Put your dummies away, and parse real fights.

And? The more mobile SMN parsed 29% higher. If we do the damage in the same way (casting) we should parse closer. Not 29% lower because "muh support" or "muh mobility," especially when we don't really have that anymore.

Edit: Or are you saying it's ok to be 29% behind another DPS, and getting 4 of them in a DF run so they are all 29% less is ok? I don't happen to think it is, especially on a DPS check.

[Mikedizzy]

Does anyone the optimal rotation to post yet? Kreitor where are you man.

[Leonus]

On real fights, everyone parses lower. Not just bards....

Let brds parse the same... that's fine. This game will turn into ffbard. Also, if that's the case, tell people to stop comparing brd dummy parses and melee dummy parses and crying about how they parse 300 dps higher or whatever it is now.

The brd was 10% or less in dps behind the melee and the melee were behind the smn too....

[Seifa]

Bard 1,1k DPS on Oppressor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-c_7WUIlXM

Put your dummies away, and parse real fights.

Oh look, 1,1k with multi dot!

I don't deny that BRD is in a good position after the last patch, but still, stop climbing on glass. Without a DRG, like a SMN without Foe, we won't put up those numbers.

Before the second phase i didn't see this amazing dps... because that's normal to do with a BRD full 180+ plus fully buffed on a DUMMY FIGHT, because that's what Oppressor is until the split up, then bard can multi dot and still being outdpsed by everyone!

Seriously, stop being so overly positive. We still are bottom DPS because we are "support" but there isn't a support role for duty finder because that would require work to implement.

[Arrik]

On real fights, everyone parses lower. Not just bards....

Yep, and the gap is still the same, and the mindset behind it is still there.

Let brds parse the same... that's fine. This game will turn into ffbard. Also, if that's the case, tell people to stop comparing brd dummy parses and melee dummy parses and crying about how they parse 300 dps higher or whatever it is now.

Really? Because I don't see 4 SMN in that fight, or BLM. I'd don't want to parse better than melee, I want to parse as a Caster, in Caster stance.

[Johaan]

Gotta say, from reading all this crying and saltiness, seems like some brds want to the same or pretty much close to other pure DPS jobs + party wide buffs + mobility (still the most mobile class in game, you just have to stance dance now) is asking to be OP as hell. Have to have some trade offs somewhere, or people will only take BRDs in heavy AOE fights where melees have to stop DPSing constantly. reminds me of the early 2.xx days lol

A12. Bards can attack while moving, therefore they have advantage over handling mechanics as well as the ability to support party members. Our image of bards from the development side is that by making them stationary in 3.0, they are now able to increase their DPS. However, we made adjustments so bards will be able to switch between their stances easier. This doesn’t mean that they won’t be able to deal damage while moving, and bards will understand when to switch between stances once they get used to the content, as well as experiment how they can output more DPS changing between stances.

might actually play BRD or MCH now since the stance dancing adds a whole new layer on how jobs play.

[ChalupaBatman]

Bard 1,1k DPS on Oppressor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-c_7WUIlXM

Put your dummies away, and parse real fights.

Thats 100% reliant on having a DRG in party, we did a similar kill vid but we had our MCH go NiN since we don't run/have a DRG.
http://i.imgur.com/fe8jDRF.png

What does this have to do with this thread? Just saying that BRD needs a DRG to be competitive, which shouldn't be the case. We had to not roll BRD or MCH because we wouldn't have killed it before first jump since there was no DRG and Foe's alone won't make taking a BRD worth it without one.

If I played BRD this run I would have been behind our WAR which was basically at 1k dps.

Atm I do think BRD n MCH is at a good place DPS wise but for you to link that video to prove a point is counter productive because you don't consider the specifics.

[Morrigu]

Personally, I hate WM, I didn't spend the last year getting my bard over geared to be screwed over by acrappy change to my favorite class, but rather than just rant and bitch here's what I'd do to fix it.

1. Restore Sidewinder and E-Arrow back to there pre-nerf dmg.
2. Add a 1.5 cast timer to Sidewinder, E-arrow and Iron jaws.
3. Remove WM and change with a buff that remove the cast time on the next weapon with one.

As far as MCH goes, they took a class that people learned for 22 Levels and change they whole way it's played.
MCH should have just had the 1.5 cast time from level 30.

Now for the BLM and healers that were complaining about movement.
BLM didn't have it's entire play style changed with the new Expansion, you still have to stand and cast.
The healers didn't have there classes serious changed ether, if anything AST is underpowered and needs to be buffed

So in the meantime, I now have a level 60 bard that's going into semi to permanent retirement.
If I don't quit all together.