We should have a "Lance mage", "Ninja Sword mage", "Fist mage"

[RiceisNice]

I'm bothered with how they failed to address WM changing bard's outtake on their moveset from 2.0. It's not even the cast times that bother me, it's how their previous toolkit does not mesh well with it.

You thought having firestarter proc half way in your fire I proc was bad? It's worse on BRD because of the shorter cast time combined with the long heavy shot animation. It doesn't try to detect any procs until the attack actually goes off (much like firestarter, you won't see it until you see the fireball land). However, heavy shot's animation doesn't start until after the 1.5 second cast, and it certainly takes longer than a for the full cast animation, even if you cancel it with an oGCD. MCH certainly does not have this problem because split shot's animation is short enough to accommodate it (even a 1.5 GCD during rapid fire), nor are you getting a heavy loss from trying to hit clean shot after a slug shot (not that you would anyway) unless you have ammo.

Then there's River of Blood. To my knowledge, BRD and DRK are the only classes that has an oGCD that can have it's cooldown reset. With a 1.5 cast time, you'd only be able to weave in 1 oGCD unless you had a straighter shot proc for an instant cast. That's bloodletter, Blunt Arrow (because we have yet to have a boss that requires silencing, even if we include 2.0), repelling shot, flame arrow, empyeral arrow and side winder. If you're not using bloodletter when its on cooldown, it's wasted dps. If you're not using empyereal arrow when it's off, its wasted dps. So on and so fourth. It creates a loss-loss situation for bard where in 2.0 people needed to keep an eye on it or weave it and another oGCD if it did proc..

I'd be fine with turning it off, if bard dps wasn't balanced around using it in the first place. It's not buffing our dps relative to how it was 2.0, it's there to keep us at that relative dps to other classes.

Someone mentioned this in a another topic. The problem is not the cast time itself, its the problems that come from having a cast time, specifically how it does not meld well with bard's original gameplay. I'm just disappointed to all the responses (especially from interpretation of the live letter and a certain youtuber) is to "git gud" or "deal with it". Well, I'm dealing with it by changing my main to MCH, because it's just annoyingly frustrating that my bard has to have its gameplay completely changed instead of having new abilities to add onto it.

[Lewtskie]

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So many times thus far have I popped a Heavy Shot then proceeded to immediately fire another since nothing else was up, only to see Straighter Shot proc. Then of course going to pop the Straighter Shot to just see the buff note for another Straighter Shot proc, essentially a wasted proc just passing by, lol. You wouldn't think it'd happen so often, but it would just be my luck!

[Humorless]

So many times thus far have I popped a Heavy Shot then proceeded to immediately fire another since nothing else was up, only to see Straighter Shot proc. Then of course going to pop the Straighter Shot to just see the buff note for another Straighter Shot proc, essentially a wasted proc just passing by, lol. You wouldn't think it'd happen so often, but it would just be my luck!

Did you see BLMs crying about double Firestarter procs? Just use it 1 GCD later.

[Lewtskie]

Did you see BLMs crying about double Firestarter procs? Just use it 1 GCD later.

Doesn't work that way as Straighter Shot proc doesn't stack. Say that you get the Straighter Shot buff on the skill. Well if you use Heavy Shot while that buff is active, the game will still let you proc Straighter Shot, even while you have one ready. So that other proc you got while that buff was sitting there just disappears.

And as it goes under Minuet, if heavy Shot were to proc Straighter Shot, it wouldn't be until well after your GDC is done, which means unless you sit there and watch Straight Shot to see if it lights up, you could very well use Heavy Shot again only to then see Straighter Shot proc and of course, have the potential to proc another one which just dumps into the void.

And even better: If you were to cast Heavy Shot and then Straight Shot to refresh your buff, if you actually do happen to get a Straighter Shot proc it can show up mid cast of your Straight Shot and not apply, meaning you have to pop Straight Shot again to use the proc.

Just don't mash, you really do hav e plenty of time to react to it if you're not m,ashing the button.

I've watched it and it can proc well into half the cast of another ability. I dunno about you, but soon as GDC comes off I'm going to be using something, and if all my OGDCs and Empy Arrow is off I'm going to use our trademark shot. Sure, either I can just cancel the cast or just sit there for half a second, but should I really need to stop my shit just because they couldn't be bothered to adjust the proc timing?

[Humorless]

Doesn't work that way as Straighter Shot proc doesn't stack. Say that you get the Straighter Shot buff on the skill. Well if you use Heavy Shot while that buff is active, the game will still let you proc Straighter Shot, even while you have one ready. So that other proc you got while that buff was sitting there just disappears.

So what you're telling me is... it works exactly the same as Firestarter procs.