We should have a "Lance mage", "Ninja Sword mage", "Fist mage"

[Snowaeth]

I'd actually love playing as a fist mage

Fisting everything! *cough*
Obviously all positionals are from behind or the front.

[Atlaworks]

Fisting everything! *cough*
Obviously all positionals are from behind or the front.

Bootshine more like buttshine

[Themis]

It's also pretty shitty that in a video they specifically showed off the machinist's mobility when it's not a real feature at high levels. So people were expecting that the ranged classes were staying mobile, when they really weren't.

MCH, and BRD, still have mobility even when under WM/GB. They aren't stuck to the floor. They just can't move whilst casting. Every other time they can move.

MCH do get it easier because their skillset supports GB use - Rapid Fire removes the cast times, Proc'd abilities also have 0 cast time and Ammo forces procs. It's quite fluid because of that (and you can just drop GB for movement heavy phases or learn to play like a BLM has to).

The only reason I can see this being a pain for BRD is that their Bloodletter is a proc that can happen during cast (whereas MCH procs are after a cast). This means they can lose their Bloodletters if they don't use it ASAP and another procs.

Also, when MCH was first revealed/talked about, it was specifically mentioned that they would have an attachment that would trade their mobility for damage when used. MCH always had that as part of their sell. BRD did not, however. It wasn't until the skills were shown off that BRD was shown to also have this trade mechanic. It really should have been left as a MCH unique feature and not pushed onto BRD as a means of equalising the two jobs (as they fill the same role).

And everyone who thinks that not having WM/GB is a loss of DPS needs to stop thinking so pessimistically. It's a loss of DPS potential, not an actual loss of DPS. Not having it does not lower your normal skill potencies. Using it does, however, increase the DPS potential that you can reach by boosting the damage those normal skills can do. It's like saying not having Blood for Blood is a DPS loss - it isn't. You just aren't able to hit as high of a number (potential DPS) than someone with it.

[Viar]

Aegis, just stop. Stop opening a new thread every freaking 12 hours just to have another reason to complain.

It's not funny. It doesn't present anything new. You. Just. Complain. Again. And again. And again.

Complaint about BRD? Check.
MCH? Check.
Hunts? Check.
Alex? Check.
Game itself? Check. Check. And goddamn check.

There are like two containment threads for frustrated bards. One's over 50 pages. Heck, you're not even level 50 BRD yet.

Hm, what I was talking about? Ah, stop spamming your whining already.

[Jattou]

I came here with the sole purpose of posting this.



I shall go now.

[Humorless]

I played a lot of bard pre-3.0 and I'm loving MCH now. You SHOULD suck it up. Now that you can instantly apply WM you can turn it off between DoT applications etc if you want your so called "mobility". It's a good way to make skilled players stand out.


If you're not good enough to do that that's your problem, a class shouldn't be balanced around bad players.

[Snowaeth]

I came here with the sole purpose of posting this.



I shall go now.

Please rework monk into this ASAP!

[Panasync]

I played a lot of bard pre-3.0 and I'm loving MCH now. You SHOULD suck it up. Now that you can instantly apply WM you can turn it off between DoT applications etc if you want your so called "mobility". It's a good way to make skilled players stand out.


If you're not good enough to do that that's your problem, a class shouldn't be balanced around bad players.

This is actually the issue (and again I hate to harp on this, but MCH was designed with the stance in mind, BRD had it tacked on). We're forced into playing in WM, I can't stand the stance, but I'm good at it, and if I want to play my job to the fullest I have to stay in it the vast majority of the time.

It's bad design, that's all there is to it. You don't reward bad design by pretending it didn't happen. If they butchered another job I certainly wouldn't be telling the playerbase to shut up because my job got out unscathed so I couldn't care less about the job I don't play. Things don't get fixed like that, and if anything they'll think twice before doing this to another job, perhaps yours, even if they don't ever fix BRD.

I certainly wasn't in MNK threads posting about how all MNKs are whining about GL stacks. If there is an issue, it should be addressed.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Honestly, I'm at the point where I'd rather they just remove Minuet. Give the Bards the new skills, buff their damage in general, get rid of Minuet, leave MCH/Gauss Barrel as it is (as I imagine the job was designed with the casting stance in mind, moreso than BRD was). At the very least we'll have our mobile DPS/half-caster/caster options and BRD/MCH will be further distinguished apart. Just give them what they want and be done with it.

SE, listen to the fans. Give them what they want, so they will JUST. SHUT. UP.

[Panasync]

Honestly, I'm at the point where I'd rather they just remove Minuet. Give the Bards the new skills, buff their damage in general, get rid of Minuet, leave MCH/Gauss Barrel as it is (as I imagine the job was designed with the casting stance in mind, moreso than BRD was). At the very least we'll have our mobile DPS/half-caster/caster options and BRD/MCH will be further distinguished apart. Just give them what they want and be done with it.

SE, listen to the fans. Give them what they want, so they will JUST. SHUT. UP.

I was reading your recent responses, I honestly suggest a Xanax. You could always just stay out of the BRD shouldn't have WM threads, perhaps you wouldn't snap at everyone having a discussion on a discussion board.