Please help me understand why i should continue to play a repeat of 2.0?

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Many things about FFXI where nice especially gameplaywise. You are not bound by one single weapon compared to Yoshi Ps WoWs vision. Either he thinks player are too stupid to handle multiple weapons or he himself couldnt play like that because his choice of MMORPGs didnt offer that variety of overwhelming gameplay when it came to weapons and spells? The freedom of FFXI is by far much better than this. SE learned nothing. I'm guessing the Yoshi P fanboys will now say FFXI servers are still active go there..
Thats the point I shouldnt go there I should enjoy this game and it should be rewarded and challenging to many aspects aswell as not beeing recycled over and over again. Not all players are from WoW that plays we appreciate the variety and freedom of gears gameplay and this non dutyfinder envoirment.

[Erepio]

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way to talk about something u know nothing about..in WoW classes have weapon pools similar to FFXI


also the illusion of choice is worse than no choice...in the end of the day ppl will just calculate whats the best weapon/gear etc for the class to be the best and you either do that or just get left out of pretty much everything


side: good job on basically calling any1 who doesn't agree with you a "YoshiP fanboy", that will for sure help your cause

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Erepio thats how the discussion turned out sadly it became a Yoshi P Fanboy vs FFXI Fanboys because people turned it into that.
Last time I played WoW my only weapon of joins for Rogue was daggers. Last time I played FFXI my weapon of choice for thf and ninja was pretty much everything.

[Erepio]

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it turn like that because you keep calling any1 that doesn't agree with you a YoshiP fanboy, i guess they much cuse the possibility of actually liking it this way is too far fetch huh?

also all you have done is just ask for FFXI stuff in FFXIV even tho you said u dont want this to be FFXI 2.0..how about u actually come up with ideas on how the features can be implemented in FFXIV


at the end of the day its come down to "i like this game, i dont like it", if you dont like it the i dont know, go play something else?

ps: i disagree with you, i hope we never see most of the FFXI stuff here cuse what FFXI is just a big "wait" for basicly anything it offer zero real challenge, so i must clearly be a YoshiP fanboy, oh wait i also love FFXI, my 1st MMO, and i consider myself a FFXI fanboy and still play that too when i want that type of gameplay

pps: no idea what u talking about, rouge can also use fist, swords, maces etc

[Khemorex]

idk. If u dont enjoy the game then u dont need to force yourself to play it . I dont mean that negatively towards you OP.

I can only say ur the only one who can tell to yourself why you should play FFXIV or not ^^

[Hyrist]

Many things about FFXI where nice especially gameplaywise. You are not bound by one single weapon compared to Yoshi Ps WoWs vision. Either he thinks player are too stupid to handle multiple weapons or he himself couldnt play like that because his choice of MMORPGs didnt offer that variety of overwhelming gameplay when it came to weapons and spells? The freedom of FFXI is by far much better than this. SE learned nothing. I'm guessing the Yoshi P fanboys will now say FFXI servers are still active go there..
Thats the point I shouldnt go there I should enjoy this game and it should be rewarded and challenging to many aspects aswell as not beeing recycled over and over again. Not all players are from WoW that plays we appreciate the variety and freedom of gears gameplay and this non dutyfinder envoirment.

Sizzle, the bound to a single weapon concept was Tanaka's vision, as evident by the Armory system that was inherent in 1.0 - before Yoshida was ever placed on the project. Please don't spread misinformation.

While there is a lot of hostility sent your way, there's no point in simply lingering onto it. Please read over my previous post directed towards you, that you seem to have overlooked for my advice on your gameplay habits.

Again, as a FFXI veteran, and as a FFXIV Legacy member, I rather enjoy the systems we have. That does not mean I do not want more, but it means I'm patient. And I'm far from the only one, with IGN netting Heavensward an 8.6 in spite of criticisms about new content, gated expansion, and endless sidequests.

As far as the comment of "You should enjoy this game." The thing is... you don't have to. If it simply does not appeal to you, let it go. Don't hang onto something that makes you bitter, if that's the case. If you do enjoy parts of it, focus on that. You're in ultimate control of that.

Anyways, either at this point you're being purposefully inflaming or... you honestly were fed a lot of misinformation about the things you are upset about.

This is the biggest problem with XIV right now IMO. They have not increased the amount of relevant raid content since the 1st coil. We are still stuck with 4 relevant events at a time. I'm not saying go horizontal.. I know that isn't happening. But they could at least stop making group gear surpass raid gear so damn quickly. If group gear was 100 at the end of 2.0 cycle people could have still been raiding/progressing through 6-9. Instead they turn it into a loot pinyata and basically delete it from the roster due to group gear being superior.

Keep in mind, any additional 'routes' they make upon the progression path will be expected to be maintained as the game progresses upwards. The thing that made FFXI so much easier to develop is the fact that they could develop a system and leave it - and due to the lack of vertical progression the content would still be relevant. Here, not only do they have to figure a means to making old content relevant or capable for others to complete in smaller numbers, but any system they create as a means of progression will add to their development schedule for any piece of content.

8 man raiding, 24 man raiding, Large Scale PvP, Hunts, Treasure Hunts, 'Primal' Fights and Dungeons all have to go through continual updates. Anything they add would add to that pile. So workflow will become a continual concern. Whatever they do, they have to do it in a method they can manage to upkeep for the next 9 years or so.

[Aeyis]

pps: no idea what u talking about, rouge can also use fist, swords, maces etc

2 Specs cant be played without a dagger equiped. And for the third spec all weapon types have essentially the same effect. (they used to give different effects...years ago)

[LineageRazor]

You are not bound by one single weapon compared to Yoshi Ps WoWs vision.

Eh, I question this. Setting aside the fact that Yoshi P did NOT come up with the Armoury system (as others have mentioned), even though different jobs could wield a variety of weapons in FFXI there was rarely a good reason to do so. In all but a few cases, for each class there was ONE weapon that was better than the others. This weapon sometimes changed over time, such as the way WAR dual-wielding Axes made way for single-wielding Great Axes when two-handed weapons got their buff - but at any given time, if you were wielding a weapon other than the optimal weapon, you were regarded as a fool. BLM could wield a scythe - but if you joined a party with one equipped, you'd be laughed off the server.

This only changed when activites started cropping up that required specific weaponskills - and THAT only happened after Abyssea had landed and turned the game on its head anyway. And even THEN, a player would equip the alternate weapon only long enough to use the weaponskill, after which they'd switch back to their primary.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

LineageRazor again stuff that was awesome in FFXI but where not good you could use them here and improve them. I think alot of people wouldnt mind different weapons from time to time. It gives you more freedom when playing. Right now it is still a very locked in envoirment. I doubt that will change the same goes with the gears. What is wrong with gears have -10% damage taken or other specifics? That makes the stuff more enjoyable right now all we get is these 4 different stats on each gear piece unless we overmeld stuff into a 5th or 6th stat.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Pretty Much 2.0 now with flying and a bit bigger maps!

Big maps that are pretty much really empty cause even when you do get flying mount you just get the unlock the map acheivement.
Fates in no areas wow so cool... not no one does that because they take forever and no one is there to even play with you since everyone is spamming northern thanalan.
OMG DRK gets a panther...? Really that panther is just the couerl mount just black.
Its going to be really hard to get to 60 Yoshi P said in old interviews. I have 4 jobs at 60 now so how is that hard? and ive been playing 2-3h a day.
Check up old live letters Yoshi P has said himself he was gonna remove the ilvl cause this wasnt the way to go. 2 years later 3.0 still iLvL.
Also the whole the expansion just got released wait for updates? What am I supposed to wait for? Updates on the world map that can give me more xp? Shouldnt that have been thought of right from the start and you could have made content a bit harder so people can catch up with the new stuff and not feel like they have done everything they need to do for their character atm and now they just afk at the foundation waiting for this amazing new patch... wich is what? Savage Alexander? You mean 2 years of trying to create an expansion and this is the only thing they can offer?