We should have a "Lance mage", "Ninja Sword mage", "Fist mage"

[Panasync]

Well then you should be complaining about your damage and not the laughable casting time you got on your skills.
(also sure if you want to deal as much damage as blm, we'll remove all your utility and give all your skills a 3s casting time aswell as giving you an enochian equivalent) see how you like it to be locked out of your main ability for 30 seconds when lot of movement is involved

It's got little to do with the length of the cast, rather the fact you have to cast at all. Doesn't matter if it's half that of anything, bolting casting times onto any of the jobs that didn't have it previously would be equally as jarring and bad in a design sense. 1.5/2/3/4 seconds, a cast is a cast, to have to do double the amount of a casting job like BLM is pretty bad any way you look at it.

Oh and we are locked out of our main damage ability when not in WM.

[hallena]

It's got little to do with the length of the cast, rather the fact you have to cast at all. Doesn't matter if it's half that of anything, bolting casting times onto any of the jobs that didn't have it previously would be equally as jarring and bad in a design sense. 1.5/2/3/4 seconds, a cast is a cast, to have to do double the amount of a casting job like BLM is pretty bad any way you look at it.

Oh and we are locked out of our main damage ability when not in WM.

A cast isnt just a cast. The lenght matter a lot when it come to mobility. If the boss target you with an aoe. you are MUCH more likely to finish your 1.5s cast than a 3s one.
WM isnt comparable to enochian because it doesnt have a duration. it doesnt expire when you move too much or have to cancel casts

[Ryaz]

A cast isnt just a cast. The lenght matter a lot when it come to mobility. If the boss target you with an aoe. you are MUCH more likely to finish your 1.5s cast than a 3s one.
WM isnt comparable to enochian because it doesnt have a duration. it doesnt expire when you move too much or have to cancel casts

Exactly. 1.5 second cast time means I can slide cast quite a bit and not lose a cast because of an AoE unless it targets me at the very beginning of the cast or the AoE is extremely fast.

Yes, I will occasionally miss a cast due to mechanics. Melee will also miss positionals because of mechanics. I'd say it balances out pretty well. Especially considering when I need a lot of movement, I can drop GB and lose a bit of dps to gain a lot more mobility.

And if you're not switching stances depending on the situation, you're not playing the class to its potential.

[Panasync]

A cast isnt just a cast. The lenght matter a lot when it come to mobility. If the boss target you with an aoe. you are MUCH more likely to finish your 1.5s cast than a 3s one.
WM isnt comparable to enochian because it doesnt have a duration. it doesnt expire when you move

By definition a cast is a cast, we don't have different words for casts because whether it's 1.5 or 88 seconds, you're casting for that period of time. The fact BRD has lower cast times means we're casting many more times during a fight than BLM, doesn't sound right to me.

It's comparable in the sense that if moving is involved we're probably not using it, the abilities don't need to be a 1:1 clone for them to be alike. When you're not in the ability you lose spells, when we're not in the ability we lose abilities and weapon skills. You plan the usage depending on the fight. Surely you don't just pop enochian every chance you get no matter the circumstance. Lastly WM does have a lockout, it's just 15s rather than 50.

[hallena]

snip.

WM lockout begin when you manualy turn it on/off.
I posted in this thread mostly because OP go out of his way to make it sound like 1.5s casting time is the worst thing in the world, something no class could ever survive with when BLM has to deal with WAY worse and we are constantly being told to *git gud* because we want a slight increase duration on astral fire and other quality of life fix.
Your cast time being 1.5s mean you have 1 second to move in between every cast. Meanwhile black mage cast time are 3 seconds so you would have to stand in aoes and ignore mechanic to do your maximum dps. Every step is a dps loss and that is not counting losing astral fire or enochian

[Panasync]

WM lockout begin when you manualy turn it on/off.
I posted in this thread mostly because OP go out of his way to make it sound like 1.5s casting time is the worst thing in the world, something no class could ever survive with when BLM has to deal with WAY worse and we are constantly being told to *git gud* because we want a slight increase duration on astral fire and other quality of life fix.
Your cast time being 1.5s mean you have 1 second to move in between every cast. Meanwhile black mage cast tim...

Being a main BRD since release I haven't really had much of an issue getting used to it, that being said I think it should be removed in all honesty. You can't go around changing jobs core gameplay and expect the users who have learned through literally years of experience to be like, oh wow this is awesome, I'm not playing bard anymore, I can play BLM-lite with a bow. MCH was built around this, BRD it seems tacked on, and it shows.

You added onto your original post, so I'll tack this on: BRD is supremely weaker so you may be casting longer but get a larger gain from it, again this isn't are bards and black mages 1:1, it's that we were not a casting class, now we're forced into a casting class. We don't want to play a casting class otherwise we would have played black mage. It's that simple, it doesn't matter if we cast as long as black mage, we also don't do as much damage as a black mage, if you want to give us the damage I don't care how long the cast is, make it the same, but I still wont like casting whether that's .5 seconds or 3.

Wait wait wait... BRDs cast times are 1.5 seconds? only slightly longer than my "too short to intentionally cancel" leeches/esuna cast. THAT'S what the noise is about?

And no, shorter cast time doesn't mean more spells cast. GCD is still a thing. o.o;;

Esuna is not 1.5 seconds, it's under a second if memory serves correctly which makes a pretty big difference (and again, it's not the length people are upset over, it's the fact we have to cast at all). GCD is up by the time the casts end so if BLM is in a cast for double the time, it would only make sense that BRD is getting 2 casts off in the same time it takes the BLM to get off 1.

[JarinArenos]

By definition a cast is a cast, we don't have different words for casts because whether it's 1.5 or 88 seconds, you're casting for that period of time. The fact BRD has lower cast times means we're casting many more times during a fight than BLM, doesn't sound right to me.

Wait wait wait... BRDs cast times are 1.5 seconds? only slightly longer than my "too short to intentionally cancel" leeches/esuna cast. THAT'S what the noise is about?

And no, shorter cast time doesn't mean more spells cast. GCD is still a thing. o.o;;