Keeping up with this topic, I've started to notice several very obnoxious patterns:

1) Those who claim that BRD/MCN are supposed to be a "support" class, keep repeating the same single line, "They support the party." Yet, they haven't offered any sort of actual math, data, comparisons or facts aside from the same stupid line: "They support the party." Yes, those who argue this sentiment, are bringing many facts, data, and comparisons that make this line flat out wrong.

2) There hasn't been any valid reason as to why BRD and MCN are being accepted at low end DPS classes. Valid being the key word here, people. Offering MP/TP to a party member doesn't justify low end DPS. If so, why isn't NIN put into this same category? Various status effects don't count, either. Most, if not all, DPS jobs have access to these, as well. On top of the fact that most bosses are immune to a lot of these. They very arguments used to "justify" BRD/MCN low end DPS are present in every other DPS class in the game.

3) Anti-BRD/MCN sentiments are boiling down to "I don't want it stronger" without any other arguments that stand to reason. Sure, those in favor of higher BRD/MCN DPS want it higher, but they are also bringing outlined reasoning, comparisons, facts/data, etc, that keep continuing to confound the opposition. Many of these arguments STILL haven't been addressed and countered with any sort of success.

Yes, this argument is getting tiresome. But that's because there hasn't been any valid reasons explained. Those against it are frustrated because their arguments are being shot down/countered in droves, which cause them to simply abandon the threads. Those in favor are getting frustrated because the same arguments (which have already been countered without rebuttal) are popping up every other page, leaving us with the same unanswered question. This question deserves an answer, and it isn't getting one.