I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[Gallus]

And the argument that "Minuet is optional" isn't really true, because NOTHING is ever optional in FFXIV. That's another problem here. Bards can just keep Minuet off if they dislike it (Like I do), but now they will be shunned and discriminated against just because of playing the game the way the class had been advertised to them. No other class has to go through this but Bards. Either play the way you love, but get hated for it, or F*** your own enjoyment and playstyle for the sake of others' convenience.

Btw you may really want to reconsider what you say. Healers are too advertised as healers, yet there's something called cleric stance that gives them the potential to DPS (and activating cleric stance poorly can have very nasty consequences, far worse than a BRD activating minuette on the wrong time). Tanks are too advertised as tanks, yet they have stuff such as sword oath, deliverance and dots which make them push DPS. "No other class has to go throug this but bards" is very false.

[Lewtskie]

"No other class has to go throug this but bards" is very false.

Two things Gallus:

If a Healer doesn't feel comfortable popping Cleric's then they really don't need to; they can still throw spells, piddly damage as they are, but they'll still be optimized for Healing. It shouldn't be an absolute requirement for them.

Tanks a little bit more different. Being an off tank there's no pressure having a DPS stance on or being out of Tank Stance, but if you are playing a Tank and as the MT, then you'd want that Tank Stance more than anything. It gives them what they want as they chose that class and that role.

Lotta folks are in the middle of these two situations for Minuet. It certainly is required to use, but some just don't feel comfortable going into it all the time.

[Gallus]

Two things Gallus:

If a Healer doesn't feel comfortable popping Cleric's then they really don't need to; they can still throw spells, piddly damage as they are, but they'll still be optimized for Healing. It shouldn't be an absolute requirement for them.

Tanks a little bit more different. Being an off tank there's no pressure having a DPS stance on or being out of Tank Stance, but if you are playing a Tank and as the MT, then you'd want that Tank Stance more than anything. It gives them what they want as they chose that class and that role.

Lotta folks are in the middle of these two situations for Minuet. It certainly is required to use, but some just don't feel comfortable going into it all the time.

I've seen healers kicked out from groups because they were refusing to use cleric stance, so those groups were probably not happy enough about those healers "just being optimal at healing". In any case, we are talking about being optimal with your job/class, let's not turn this into a "but this isn't my role w/e". As long as a certain player doesn't use their entire toolkit and other players notice it and they feel that player is dragging them, discrimination will always be present, this isn't exclusive to BRDs. Whether BRDs in general are not happy that their mobility has been nerfed (not destroyed, nerfed, 10% damage reduction while moving doesn't equal to destroyed mobility, having to interrupt a 4k damage Fire IV because you have to move is no mobility on my book, this isn't BRDs case) is another story, but do realize this is more about "personal gamestyle" rather than real balance, because wanna bet something BRDs are still mandatory in Alex savage? (poor MCH, DRK, MNK and even BLM wished they could say the same).

[Rhysati]

Btw you may really want to reconsider what you say. Healers are too advertised as healers, yet there's something called cleric stance that gives them the potential to DPS (and activating cleric stance poorly can have very nasty consequences, far worse than a BRD activating minuette on the wrong time). Tanks are too advertised as tanks, yet they have stuff such as sword oath, deliverance and dots which make them push DPS. "No other class has to go throug this but bards" is very false.

Activating cleric stance, sword oath, etc does not change how the class plays in any way whatsoever. All it does is lower healing in return for damage/ lower threat and defense in return for damage. You don't lose mobility, you don't have cast times change, you don't get an entirely different subset of abilities to use.

The statement that no other class has to go through that is 100% correct.