I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[Calypsx]

Isn't the cast being instant kind of like it can be used to stance dance? Turn off for heavy dodging sections and turn on for focus fire?

Stance dancing is a lot of fun on healers with cleric stance. To be honest it seems Wanderer's Minuet can really spice up their play style if you learn when to turn it on and off at the right times.

Not gonna lie Bard/Machinist sounds like a lot of fun now.

[Lewtskie]

If you make the choice to pop into Minuet you need to know you can fully commit to those 15 seconds before you can take it off. Cleric's does have the better of it with only 6, lol.

[Raiker]

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Beautiful post, thank you.

[Gallus]

And the argument that "Minuet is optional" isn't really true, because NOTHING is ever optional in FFXIV. That's another problem here. Bards can just keep Minuet off if they dislike it (Like I do), but now they will be shunned and discriminated against just because of playing the game the way the class had been advertised to them. No other class has to go through this but Bards. Either play the way you love, but get hated for it, or F*** your own enjoyment and playstyle for the sake of others' convenience.

Btw you may really want to reconsider what you say. Healers are too advertised as healers, yet there's something called cleric stance that gives them the potential to DPS (and activating cleric stance poorly can have very nasty consequences, far worse than a BRD activating minuette on the wrong time). Tanks are too advertised as tanks, yet they have stuff such as sword oath, deliverance and dots which make them push DPS. "No other class has to go throug this but bards" is very false.

[Virgaeus]

Isn't the cast being instant kind of like it can be used to stance dance? Turn off for heavy dodging sections and turn on for focus fire?

Stance dancing is a lot of fun on healers with cleric stance. To be honest it seems Wanderer's Minuet can really spice up their play style if you learn when to turn it on and off at the right times.

Not gonna lie Bard/Machinist sounds like a lot of fun now.

That's what SE is trying to teach my fellow bards but it seems like they really don't care about that :/
In Neverreap for example, I used to hate that dungeon but I learned that when the boss moves around and that I have to kill adds while moving I don't use WM.
When those phase are over, I bring WM back to burn him.
Did i say I got a 2530 critical hit against the final boss of Neverreap with "Empyreal arrow" ?

[Intellion]

Isn't the cast being instant kind of like it can be used to stance dance? Turn off for heavy dodging sections and turn on for focus fire?

Stance dancing is a lot of fun on healers with cleric stance. To be honest it seems Wanderer's Minuet can really spice up their play style if you learn when to turn it on and off at the right times.

Not gonna lie Bard/Machinist sounds like a lot of fun now.

By 3.01, Stance Dancing is actually heavily discouraged by SE, seeing that if you pop Minuet, you're stuck in it for at least 15 seconds.

Which brings me back to my point. For Bards to do "well" now, they are still forced to stay in Minuet most of the time. Doesn't matter if they can turn it off for movement; their raids will probably still demand them to pop it back on once movement is done.

In other words, if they don't want to be booted or shunned, they have to use a gameplay they do not like (if they did, they would've rolled BLM or SMN for far superior DPS) and are not familiar with.

Bards were built around highly mobile insta-cast weak ranged attacks supported by rapidly popping off chains of weak oGCD attacks and procs, with support songs added for party play. All of those added together makes up for their low DPS. Minuet destroys exactly that core mechanic that the class was built on, because with Minuet on, there's no such thing as insta-cast ranged attacks anymore nor is there rapid weaving of oGCDs. Nor is there any mobility. The complete polar opposite of the class people picked for its gameplay and mechanics. Effectively an immobile and inferior version of the BLM. As far as I know, no Bards in JPN or the West ever asked for this.

That is why both JPN and ENG Bards still complain, and will do so until the class is hopefully returned to its core mechanics by 3.1 or 3.2.

[Gallus]

If you make the choice to pop into Minuet you need to know you can fully commit to those 15 seconds before you can take it off. Cleric's does have the better of it with only 6, lol.

You can DPS with minuette, even if you are required to move, chances are it won't result in nasty consequences. You can't heal under cleric, you literally can't, unless you consider going from 2700 heals to 500 heals viable, so I can see one stance slightly punishing more than the other...

[Melinabean0]

but REAL Bards will know that THOSE aren't what the true issue is.

Just curious, if a Bard actually likes the changes and can adapt to said changes, does that mean they aren't REAL Bards?

Because that's very clearly ridiculous.

Isn't the cast being instant kind of like it can be used to stance dance? Turn off for heavy dodging sections and turn on for focus fire?

Stance dancing is a lot of fun on healers with cleric stance. To be honest it seems Wanderer's Minuet can really spice up their play style if you learn when to turn it on and off at the right times.

That's how I've been using it and it has indeed been fun for me.

That's what SE is trying to teach my fellow bards but it seems like they really don't care about that :/
In Neverreap for example, I used to hate that dungeon but I learned that when the boss moves around and that I have to kill adds while moving I don't use WM.
When those phase are over, I bring WM back to burn him.

Also, this. It's all about timing and learning when to use it appropriately.

[Duelle]

Isn't the cast being instant kind of like it can be used to stance dance? Turn off for heavy dodging sections and turn on for focus fire?.

The stance has a 15 second cooldown upon use. It's not something you can switch on and off in a GCD like sword oath/shield oath.

[Lewtskie]

"No other class has to go throug this but bards" is very false.

Two things Gallus:

If a Healer doesn't feel comfortable popping Cleric's then they really don't need to; they can still throw spells, piddly damage as they are, but they'll still be optimized for Healing. It shouldn't be an absolute requirement for them.

Tanks a little bit more different. Being an off tank there's no pressure having a DPS stance on or being out of Tank Stance, but if you are playing a Tank and as the MT, then you'd want that Tank Stance more than anything. It gives them what they want as they chose that class and that role.

Lotta folks are in the middle of these two situations for Minuet. It certainly is required to use, but some just don't feel comfortable going into it all the time.