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    Musashidon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intellion View Post
    Having strong opinions on something but no knowledge on it is bad enough. Adding a "I'm right, you're wrong!" mentality only harms your case. Especially when you can't even prove what makes you "right."
    you mean exactly what you're doing but with proof?!

    because i have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiker View Post
    Not arguing. I quite literally stated the obvious. I'm not arguing with you, stating "You're a 24 Archer."

    Just telling you what you are.
    i was just saying it does absolutely nothing for you


    Quote Originally Posted by Raiker View Post
    Cute that you're trying to grasp at straws by the way.
    actually i am not as i have argued my case and the only rebuttal is you aren't 60 like me.
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    Last edited by Musashidon; 07-09-2015 at 07:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    you mean exactly what you're doing but with proof?!

    because i have.
    Your proof lies with a singular video, of a bard, on a level 50 striking dummy, jumping from ladder to ladder like a circus animal.

    This is coming from a level 24 Archer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiker View Post
    Your proof lies with a singular video, of a bard, on a level 50 striking dummy, jumping from ladder to ladder like a circus animal.

    This is coming from a level 24 Archer.
    once again you use level 24 archer as your go to as if that disproves the video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    once again you use level 24 archer as your go to as if that disproves the video.
    Okay, since we're talking about invalidated arguments, which I'm sure you will rebuttal with, "B-but ... your horns are silly!" at the rate you're going.

    Let me go ahead an invalidate yours.
    You're a 24 archer, you're level 60 is a paladin. You're riding off the coat tails of UBERHAXED with your debate.

    You keep referencing a video with a bard shooting a level 50 striking dummy that has no defense and is not actually showing his parse on. You're simply agreeing with something that agrees with you; makes you feel good. I get that.

    I would love to ask if you see where your fallacy is, but you won't see it that way.

    The easy TL;DR part of this post, bards (level 60 bards, not 24 archers) are not happy with things. They're expressing their displeasure though a forum provided to them to do as such. You being a 'bully' for the sake of being one does not further push this issue into getting resolved. I've seen a thimble full of people say, "Bard is fine." I've seen an ocean full of people say it is not. There is a disparity here.

    Not recognizing this does yourself a disservice when you, yourself, decide to finally push bard past 50, and realize, "hey, something is wrong." When or if that does in fact happen, you will have caused your own problem.

    Edit: Just to be petty because I feel like reducing my self down a level; you got your video from this link: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._872_dps_i180/

    About half way down the page it's discussed about how unrealistic your 'proof' is.
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    Last edited by Raiker; 07-09-2015 at 10:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiker View Post
    snip
    the whole discussion is i want to run in shoot.

    it's completely fine but when someone decides hey bards aren't fine.

    well they are wrong their dps is fine, their core design (songs) are fine.

    only players who want to run and shoot are affected and that is just a personal preference, it doesn't make or break the job.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewtskie View Post
    As to these others, maybe they just want to ignore the fact that every class has certain aesthetics that draws folks in, and with Bard it's coming to a case of false advertising at this point.
    i don't ignore it, but it doesn't make bards.

    bards are still doing their job without mobility.
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    Last edited by Musashidon; 07-09-2015 at 08:03 PM.

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    Here's the thing guys, BRD will most likely keep being that mandatory job every static wants to have (at least one). It has too many raid wide tools that bring too much onto the table, and for reference... our BRD pulls around 900-1k damage in most alexander fights, that's just very damn high given the utility and extra caster damage (foe) it brings. You can choose between a BLM and a SMN (SMN prob being in a sweeter spot atm), a MNK, DRG and a NIN (DRG being in a sweeter spot atm) but between BRD and MCH? I don't think there is even contest...

    So...I feel you guys will keep being mandatory. Imo jobs like MNK, DRK, MCH or even BLM have many more reasons to be less happy than BRDs in 3.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    you mean exactly what you're doing but with proof?!

    because i have.
    You have proof?

    Being a Lv 24 Archer is not "proof." Try again.

    Saying that "You can't prove me wrong!" when you haven't even proven yourself "right" is not "proof." Try again.


    Allow me to elaborate:

    You have no credibility. You are not right, unless you prove otherwise with hard experience, numbers, and so on. Your claims are effectively null-and-void.

    Good day! Come back again soon when you actually learn how to "Bard!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intellion View Post
    snip
    as said earlier repeating this over and over doesn't help your case
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