The argument"MCH/Bard have utility so their damage should be lower"

[Kayote]

Mantra - Still has its times when its much more useful. Large AoE heals for one. Bard is useless there. Doesnt even matter how much MP heals have. Bards is preventative, Monk can save lives.

Dragon kick, Dancing Edge... Oh, so buffs that help a portion of the DPS AND is part of dps rotation? Youre right, Bards have it great here, we have the priviledge of stopping ours for 3 seconds and using up the same precious resource used with other buffs. Yeah we deserve double nerfs. /sarcasm

Goad - would be nice to know the effectiveness of each. You know, besides the fact that its instant, doesnt lower DPS, and he can still hit DE while Bards still cant FR. Yeah totally deserved those nerfs.

Battle littany - Still a buff to DPS . Entire group, no penalties. Better than FR.

Disembowel - And again FR is not part of Bard rotation, doesnt even buff the Bard, so congrats.

Virus, and BRDS songs are usually saved IN CASE some class needs more resources. Different buffs for different situations. Who'da thunk!

I mean, these are all nice but...

And like Panasync said already, theyre mostly there for the inexperienced, in case we screw up groups doing new content. After that we're just bad DPS. Progression is a tiny percentage of the population in all MMOs. Case in point, our "totally OP" in demand songs werent worth squat when we were getting kicked for low DPS. There could have been a bot there doing nothing against a DPS check... "too bad, $@#& your songs, well call you when we suck at mechanics."

"Dont try and pretend" its not true.

This post made me laugh. It was amazing.

Im sure it did. Thats the beauty of this whole mess. BRDs are the ones there to save your ass when you know youre failing, so you think we're some godsend. Most other buffs, happen passively, you dont even notice how much they help when used properly. You wipe from TP/MP because you took to long, everyone thinks "need Bard." No one bothers to think if DPS was using there buffs effectively. Yet somehow we get screwed for both using it, and just having it, wether or not our group sucks enough to need them.

BRDs are the worse"support" I have ever played, and the worst DPS in the game. Its complete b/s, make a support role, or buff our DPS. Nerf our songs if itd make the envious kids happier. If our songs were OP, then its our songs that shouldve gotten nerfed, not DPS. Its still a Bard so long as it sings...

[Leonus]

stuff.

Brds in progression content save time.

If your parties are kicking brds/mch it more than likely because the melee dps are bad and they have to blame it on someone.

But screw it. Give casters I stand cast spells that they can use on the move.

Give melee the ability to attack with a melee weapon and ranged distances.

Give everyone party buffs that that effect everyone on the same level as brd minus the damage cut.

Give brds caster/melee dps.

Also, let's give tanks dps level damage and give everyone else the ability to tank.

That should work, should make everyone happy.

If they give brd the dps of casters and melee, they better turn the a ilities into single target abilities only able to be used every 3 minutes for 15 seconds. Then they won't need to be stacked In content. Also melee the ability to attack with there rotation from anywhere on the battlefield and get rid of positionals completely.

Also lower the potency on blm spells to an acceptable level and make their spells instalation and all smn abilities better.

Let everyone e be able to heal themselves massively.

It should fix all the tank, dps and healer problems. No one should be able to complain.

Class names should just be for show. Not serve individual purposes for the sake of diversity.