Alexander loot systems sucks :/

[Arkista]

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The problem with EVERYONE getting a token at the end of a run is that it doesn't offer any incentive to go back and run it again for the week. Everyone clears the runs on Tuesday (especially if they're this easy) or Wednesday and then the stragglers who couldn't play on Tuesday or Wednesday are screwed.

Not to be the devil's advocate, but like everyone else says Get a Static, right?

This new loot system screws over those stragglers, more than a token per person after every run. People in Statics are not going to be helping the people who don't play on Tuesday anyways, There is no incentive to help those players after you get your token for the week, the point is a lot of us don't have the schedule to be in one. A majority of the players who are going to be using DF/PF are the ones who don't have much time to play, and can't get a static. So why should they have to run a floor over and over to get a token, when it could be gear or token per floor.

From the loot list I seen, each floor has three tokens, so that's your odds. You also need 1-4 tokens for gear and they are specific tokens mind you. Yes this loot system is so much better for the Stragglers.....


Also 80% of what you described in FFXI sounds more like personal issues with your Linkshell.

[Malevicton]

Like the OP pretty much said, If you got a static you're solid and shouldn't have anything to worry about. But those of us who don't have time for statics are left to use DF/PF. The new loot system sucks plain and simple.

A static is a clear advantage, but there's a middle ground that a lot of people are ignoring (I can only assume intentionally). The fights are about 10-15 minutes each and are all being reported as "omglolz ezmode". PF a farm group and everyone can get a piece. Do this for as many turns (or floors, whatever) as you personally have the time and patience for.

Of course a dedicated premade group farming stuff is gonna have an advantage. That's just basic game theory, not a sign of broken mechanics. Even without a static you can play the odds to your favor and get geared pretty quickly. The "always have to roll against 7 pugs" argument relies on either having terrible groups, or on you group hopping every time you get a kill.

[Arkista]

Snip.

There is a bigger issue that no one has even said. What happens in two weeks? Savage Mode, Going to keep the same loot system? Or are we going to see Gear drop from each floor and players who didn't receive gear get tokens? I don't think a majority of the player base is going to be able to farm savage f1-f4, four to eight times per floor a week, to make sure everyone gets what they need/want.

[nekuxdesu]

meme'd

IT IS better for loners
like have you even done WoD before? its the same stuff except even better because its like oh hey X dropped and it basically works on any class

[Dement]

Not to be the devil's advocate, but like everyone else says Get a Static, right?

This new loot system screws over those stragglers, more than a token per person after every run. People in Statics are not going to be helping the people who don't play on Tuesday anyways, There is no incentive to help those players after you get your token for the week, the point is a lot of us don't have the schedule to be in one. A majority of the players who are going to be using DF/PF are the ones who don't have much time to play, and can't get a static. So why should they have to run a floor over and over to get a token, when it could be gear or token per floor.

From the loot list I seen, each floor has three tokens, so that's your odds. You also need 1-4 tokens for gear and they are specific tokens mind you. Yes this loot system is so much better for the Stragglers

Statics shouldn't even factor into the equation if we're talking about stragglers. People with statics aren't going to help stragglers outside of their FC no matter what loot system is in place. So of the pool of stragglers, if 8 of them are taken out of the equation every clear that happens, then at the end of the week you're running with much fewer people at ALL times of the day. Want to guarantee your token? Yes, get a static, nothing has changed. This at least keeps people in the pool.

Also 80% of what you described in FFXI sounds more like personal issues with your Linkshell.

How in the world is 80% of what I described personal issues with my linkshell?

Class Balance - My Linkshell didn't program BSTs to be terrible in groups or early day SAMs to be unwanted or later day BLMs to have to solo in the mountains or the tunnels.
Class priority - My linkshell didn't make all the meripos that demanded RDM, BRD, DPS (piercing preferred, screw monks)
HNMs - my LS didn't bot so we didn't even bother trying to claim NMs which were insta-claimed by the botters.
NMs - My LS didn't set 20 hour+ spawn times on some NMs, we claimed and killed them, sure and I had plenty of rare drops from them myself for the time I spent, it didn't make it much less of a nightmare.
Relics - I guess it's a problem with my LS maybe that I didn't get one. I wish I had found the magical LS though that you were apparently in that was able to get 10x the currency drops as all the other LSes to make sure that everyone got their Relic.
AV - My LS didn't make it unkillable, the top LSes in the world couldn't kill it.
Loot rules - What I described was a pretty average sky farming cycle as seen in a vast majority of LSes. They would spend a couple of weeks farming pop items, try to pick a night when most people could be on (can't satisfy everyone), they almost all operated on a point system so that people didn't skip out on farming and only show up to the pops, so ninja lotting is about the only problem that may have been LS centered, although you can't control when new people come in and lot what they shouldn't if you're in a decent sized endgame LS.

So let's see out of 7 faults of FFXI, only a portion of 1 of them may have even been slightly related to my Linkshell. If you're going to pull percentages out of thin air, at least use reasonable ones.

There is a bigger issue that no one has even said. What happens in two weeks? Savage Mode, Going to keep the same loot system? Or are we going to see Gear drop from each floor and players who didn't receive gear get tokens? I don't think a majority of the player base is going to be able to farm savage f1-f4, four to eight times per floor a week, to make sure everyone gets what they need/want.

I don't think the majority of the playerbase is going to be able to clear savage f1-f4 once per week. This will only affect statics and will hopefully be rules that absolutely favor statics.

[ckc22]

It's needlessly complicated and going to force people to do tons of runs of each floor many times per week just to get their tokens so that they can get a piece of gear.

So far I prefer the old system. Or at least the ravana/bismarck system.

Also if you tell me "find a static" I'm going to tell you something that starts with F also. I have plenty of time to play, but not in organized "i'm always free at these 2 3-4 hour slots on these nights"

[Skindef]

I was thinking the whole point of getting tokens was so you got something at the end of the duty. Example: Oh you didn't get the gear roll, here's a pity token instead. But we are only just rolling on the pity tokens, no gear and against 7 other people. Which means yay 13 roll for me and I get nothing at the end for my time. I game at 3am so df evil rng again...

[AsahinaMyLove]

You have to ROLL on these tokens Vs 7 people?! O.o
I mean.. some gears cost 4 tokens... lol......

Another content I can ignore, because of very brocken RNG!!!

[Maero]

Coming from wod were as i had been 4 months until i finally got damn caster Robe, and i never did get the Bard chest piece so the loot system makes no difference to me

[Adventica6]

Too many people from wow expecting instant gratification on the 1st run. If this is your mindset then your not welcome to ff, in ff11 it could take weeks or months to get 1 item, and in old ff14 it could take months also, you should be thankful you get anything, now go to your room and think about what you've done.