A serious discussion about abridging the story quest 1-50 (discouraging new players)

[RichardButte]

3. They shun the mainstream success of WoW, not realizing that this game is 95% WoW as it is.

Yoshi-P was (and may still be) a WoW player and based a huge number of ARR's designs on WoW.

Hell, XIV's endgame is a carbon-copy of WoW's...

ppl keep saying the game is loosing sub has there been announcement somewhere from where u are getting this from? cuse since the expack hit i havent been able to log in once without having to go in a que first

You know, maybe someone can help clear this up for me because I'm not even sure what to make of it...

I've heard SOME reports that say that FFXIV has 4 million active subs.

I've heard other reports that say that XIV and XI have ~1 mil active subs combined.

Which is true?

Also, I'm not trying to spell doom and gloom for the game: I'm not trying to pedal the idea that FFXIV won't survive without these changes, but that's no reason to not make suggestions on how to improve things.

Given the number of people in the thread having the same issues, it'd be nice if they fixed this up a bit. And as I said, Yoshi-P has acknowledged the problem, but he only seems to believe it'll be an issue in 5-6 expansions when it's actually an issue right now.

[Tuathaa]

Yoshi-P was (and may still be) a WoW player and based a huge number of ARR's designs on WoW.

Hell, XIV's endgame is a carbon-copy of WoW's...

End game, gear levels, raid tiers, and different raid difficulty is pretty much a WoW copy. SE took what they thought was the best parts of WoW and incorporated it into XIV but what they failed to realize is that with an expansion there is re work that needs to be done on previous content other than adding xp to the msq

[Erepio]

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the 1mil is an old number think from year 1 of FFXIV...the 4mil is baiscly ppl bought the game, not active subs...i dont think we had a "sub" number for a while

side note: i agree that needing to do everything in MSQ is gonna be a problem for the game unless they streamline it but i consider story and gating stuff with story as a result, a core aspect of the game and how the devs wanted the game to be....what im totally against is making it complete optional

and chancing some of the gates isnt as easy as ppl think it is, in MMOs things break just by chancing a dam colour of a npc somewhere, can u imagine needing to lift requirements etc

ps: so just as the whole "make story optional" is your opinion mine is "keep it like it is".......heck one of the reasons i stop playing Swtor was because aside from the "class quest" your choices etc had no impact whatsoever on the rest of the game, and it felt more like two games rather than 1 to me