BRD/MCH look here

[xzeroikgre]

Here is how they're looking at it you want damage near the other dps suck it up and get into WM They're dead set on making use WM and GB and that won't change anytime soon.

except...you wont have anywhere near the damage any other class has...even if your total dps jumped 10%(which it wont cause potency nerfs and you wont be in WM 100% of the time because of movement) you'd still be lagging behind other classes by 250'ish or more dps... All this change accomplished was forcing more WM/GB down the throats of brds/mchs that never wanted these stances in the first place. I'd happily give up WM for another support song that buffed the party and let me go back to 2.x bard play style rather than be a bad/lazy rip off of blm's play style.

[gzuscry]

Check the fixed bugs section.

An issue wherein the effect of the bard action “The Warden's Paean” would not activate under certain conditions.

This could mean that WP blocks effects that aren't esunable now.

I highly doubt that. Its more likely to let us ignore some more stuns and some poisons. What I want for that ability is to let me warden boss mechanic abilites that are certain death enfeeblements. To make it feel as real warden and not as some enchated folk medicine wich may or may not work, based on the placebo effect your brain is currently under.

[ChalupaBatman]

We BRD's don't care about catching up to the DPS levels of other classes! BRD is a support class! If a BRD does not know that, there are serious problems! I have as much fun trying to max out my dps in raids with no regards to other DPS classes, cos we are bloody support. I like singing Foes and Ballad to support my team, even if it means I lose my own DPS. That's what a BRD is suppose to be.

Sure there may be people before who once complained that BRD's have low DPS comparatively, then I say they are playing the wrong class. If I want to stand on one side and cast skills, I'll go and play BLM! But I want to play BRD, not a hybrid Red Bard...

I hear you man, but its hard for me to just drop BRD entirely since I love the class so I'll probably just force myself to get used to this new style just in case they leave them them as is.

[seekified]

People have to keep in mind that the 10% increase on WM negates the potency loss somewhat. Sidewinder becomes a 95 potency loss, sure. Empyreal Arrow is only 2 potency though because 240 * 1.2 = 288 whereas 220 * 1.3 = 286. So that's not even worth mentioning. Considering all other skills are buffed by 10%, I think this'll be a nice improvement, plus the obvious stancedancing benefits.

Same for MCH, really - Gauss Round loses 6 potency. Ricochet will be a little more noticeable though.

Anyone being "250ish or more dps" behind other jobs just weren't doing it right, even before this patch.

[xXRaineXx]

If the job was intended to be that way from the start, I would probably agree. The fact is that from 2.0 up until 3.0 that's not how the job was intended to play, MCH you could make the argument, BRD is a different story.

Finally someone with logical sense, players like Lunar are a plague here. For any longterm BRD's, these changes are *meteoractuallylandedinff7whichkilledeveryone* bad.

[Pluvia]

Finally someone with logical sense, players like Lunar are a plague here. For any longterm BRD's, these changes are *meteoractuallylandedinff7whichkilledeveryone* bad.

simple fix is to not use it and eat the damage loss

[Wavaryen]

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There is no support class. It is a dps class. You are playing the wrong class if you want to support. I suggest you play a healer. Bards are for the most part a dps class, that has a supportish song, at a heavy cost of damage. Just because they have songs does not mean they are support, as other classes give +crit and amazing buffs that I can argue are just as powerful and needed as bard songs. This support class stuff has to end. Even the devs said it, but people still don't understand. When will it die?

With that being said, caster bard blows.

[Fitzy]

Well bard and machinist are now officially dead to me, guess I'm going back to my old summoner.

And before anyone jumps to conclusions, no its not because of the damage or the movement, its because i chose to play bard because i liked support and ranged classes and i hate cast timers, especially for a job that was initially designed without cast times. If I'm being forced to play a bow mage i might as well play something that was designed as a caster in the first place.

Would have much preferred them to go with an ability similar to 1.0s dragoons power surge or the 2nd boss from sastasha hard, something like where after standing still and performing so many weapon-skills, you got an attack buff that disappears as soon as you move and maybe gave you a debuff for 15 seconds after moving before you could start getting stacks again.

[xXRaineXx]

I already do that, I haven't used it in any occasion since I first tried it out at lvl50. I don't mind the damage loss, but that's NOT the issue.

This is going to create 2 factions in the core BRD system. The NON-Minuet and Minuet stance factions. This might lead to something similar to console wars where each side tries to flame each other down. I'm not saying this WILL happen, but if there are others like me; then there is a fair chance that it will. I don't want to see something like this happen to my beloved BRD...

[Warlyx]

WTH?.....are 1$!$!$ kidding me SE?

new BRD and MCH rotation

both will have casting times and MCH needs a proc for the 2nd





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