Bard Rant (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

[Panasync]

My main issue with it is the playstyle shift for the sake of the jobs being homogonous. MCH is fine, because the job was built to be what we have, Bard had a set playstyle, so to tack on a machinist design onto Bard because you want the jobs to be sooooooo mirrored is just meh. There is nothing wrong with sharing the support things, that's fine, but why can't jobs have playstyle differences but still make them interchangeable enough to where we're not favoring one over the other?

[Wavaryen]

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I really don't like you, you made no points at all. All the people saying that it is unfair to be able to move and dps or that you should not be able to has nothing backing it. It is bad game design to have classes play pretty much the same. In other mmos there is a class that can move and do skills, and they are just fine. The fact people think you should not be able to do it is laughable at its best, it shows they are closed minded on game design.

Classes should be about play style choice. Range dps should be on par with each other, and will be from what devs are talking about. The fact they changed a class design around is the problem.

If you guys don't like that both jp and us community is trying to get it changed back. Too bad I guess. Play a caster.

[SonTensei]

So with the 2 extreme primal fights we currently have, 1 of them makes no sense to use WM at all aside from breaking the carapice (Bismark EX), and the other you pretty much HAVE To use it unless you hit esc every time its casted to prevent autoattacking the shields (Ravana EX).

The sooner people get used to mixing different play styles the better.

That said my biggest beef with the WM skill is

1. The cast timer of WM - its essentially like any other toggle skill with the exception of a cast timer... make it instant like Cleric Stance or give us swiftcast
2. The oopmh isnt enough to trade off not having autoattack..

Other than that the other big beef is our utterly useless lv 58 skill, Wardens Peaon.. its absolutely trashtastic- i was really hoping we would have gotten a regen type skill for hp. but i guess that would break the game. They need to redo the lv 58 skill, in fact maybe come up with something new for it all together.

[Viar]

My math isn't wrong. You'r counting the basic hit which would have been there to begin with. Barrage only gives you 2 extra hits AND GUARANTEES THEY WON'T CRIT (old barrage did crit).
If you look at my math I'm counting 2 extra hits per barrage on old barrage not 3 otherwise with your math you could say tripple was 900 potency and quad was 1200 potency.

Having more crits also almost guaranteed crits on old Barrage where this one is guaranteed to not crit, thus your multiplier point is very moot.

Oh. I see your point now. However, there is something wrong with your math.

I'll give AA's 80 potency, no more. HS non-crit was pretty much double the damage of AA back in 2.xx, so here we go. 480 potency against 80x6 AA for BRD's with heavy latency issues and 3+ delay or 80x8 for 3- delay or very precise timing. All in all, Barrage'd EA is equal to Barrage'd AA or dwarfed by 160 potency. Then we can look at multiplier which is not moot, mind you. EA now sits in-between them due to that multiplier. Crit factor is huge, with pretty much every Barrage being buffed by IR and each AA having a chance to crit, I admit. But on a very bad RNG night, Triple Barrage < Barrage'd EA < Quad.

Did I prove myself wrong? Yeah, but doing math is always fun.

By this same logic, EA should sit at 9 sec CD. Sigh.

[mb52139]

You all could just ignore the new song... I keep seeing complaints with no explanation of why it has to be used. I main a bard and I haven't used the new song for more than 2 minutes total. I'm still out parsing most dps in the extreme trials, so bard really isn't as bad as some are claiming. Don't use the new stance if you don't like it. Simple solution.

A simple solution to say don't use the skils I 'paid' for when I bought this expansion. If it was a normal patch... I'd be more ok with it. But such a major screw up when players are paying for it?

[Atrious]

All the bards I know either give useful feedback or have patience, so no. It's been less than 14 days since release, get over yourself.

oh get out of here with yourself lol. You aren't providing ANYTHING to the forum in general.

[Farkle]

Where is the official response people are referring to?

[pandabearcat]

Where is the official response people are referring to?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3090840

[Snowaeth]

Oh. I see your point now. However, there is something wrong with your math.

I'll give AA's 80 potency, no more. HS non-crit was pretty much double the damage of AA back in 2.xx, so here we go. 480 potency against 80x6 AA for BRD's with heavy latency issues and 3+ delay or 80x8 for 3- delay or very precise timing. All in all, Barrage'd EA is equal to Barrage'd AA or dwarfed by 160 potency. Then we can look at multiplier which is not moot, mind you. EA now sits in-between them due to that multiplier. Crit factor is huge, with pretty much every Barrage being buffed by IR and each AA having a chance to crit, I admit. But on a very bad RNG night, Triple Barrage < Barrage'd EA < Quad.

Did I prove myself wrong? Yeah, but doing math is always fun.

By this same logic, EA should sit at 9 sec CD. Sigh.

So you'r just giving out potencies now? AA potency pre 3.0 was calculated like this "Weapon Delay / 3 = AA potency" all the popular bow's pre 3.0 (think dreadwyrm, zeta) were 3,2delay or more. That's more than 100 potency per AA.
I just said roughly 100 potency in my calculations as there were a couple bows below 3sec delay too, but not the most wanted ones. So for example AA's with a Dreadwyrm bow would have been almost 107potency making old quad barrage value of over 850 with it that also had the benefit of crits.

[Humorless]

oh get out of here with yourself lol. You aren't providing ANYTHING to the forum in general.

I'll take any increase in chance of morons not posting worthless threads so we can have useful discussions.