More gender locked clothing

[Buff_Archer]

I think some people are very unclear on the concept of what's being asked for here, based on the main reason people say things should stay the way they are now. I'm not saying that when a new outfit designed for female players is released (particularly when it's a dress) male players should be able to equip it and look exactly the same wearing it... what we've been trying to convey is that when new sets designed for glamour purposes (here's a hint- they're level 1, not class/job specific, and they typically cost a lot of resources to buy or make) are released, people who play male characters are getting shafted by not having anywhere near the same number of options, because SE isn't designing and releasing versions of outfits exclusively for male characters to anywhere near the extent they are for female characters.

Last example I'm going to give, because I don't know how to simplify it further than this. At the same time, SE released two Thavnairian chest pieces for glamour purposes- one for M/F, one for F only. The same ratio applies to the rest of the set, and so they gave female characters 2x the options. Are we saying- let male characters wear the Thavnairian Bustier as it looks on a female toon? No, we're asking why, if in addition to the M/F piece, there is an F only piece, why can either a) a third M only set also be released or b) the F only set be able to transform based on gender of person wearing it like everything else (including the crap no one wants to glamour). If it helps fit your worldview, imagine a third piece as being something like a Thavnairian Bro-ssiere which has a picture of a football on the front, and a monster truck on the back, with the words "Chicks and stuff..." printed over it. It wouldn't win any fashion awards. but it would at least be equitable in the sense we'd have 1 M/F outfit, 1 F outfit, and 1 M outfit from the set, and fits the example of having a third (albeit tacky) option for male characters, which for this set would mean: Female characters have two options; Male characters have two options. Equal vs. unequal.

What we're getting at here is that we want the same number of options available to us for new glamour sets, regardless of the gender of our character, nothing more nothing less ... if you only want to argue against male characters being able to wear dresses and have nothing to contribute re: the topic this thread was created to discuss, please create your own thread for that because that's not what this one is for.

Edit- the user who posted just above me as I typed this gets it.

[Laerune]

I think people are only looking at the "dress for males" part and not the fact that female avatars get 1x exclusive armour and one shared with males, while males get only a shared armour with females. This has happend 4th time in a row and to me this is a trend and not something that is just happening. In the end all that I can see from complainers are:

1* Males should not wear dresses, because it is not right!
2* I cant f*p to male avatars and giving males dresses will decrease my waifu ratio.
3* I dont want to see males in dresses, so they should not wear dresses.
4* Males should not get dresses, because this will take away recources from cool armour design, but if its for females then its oke, because waifus.
5* I play a female avatar and this does not affect me, but I think males in dresses is YUCK!, so I come here to complain about it.

In the end, its basicly straight male players who often play female avatars, who are complaining about what other players are doing with their avatars. Bigotry at its best.

[No2631]

I think some people are very unclear on the concept of what's being asked for here

I feel they use strawman arguments because it's easier to complain about men in dresses than to acknowledge it's just not fair people who play female characters blatantly get more things because of arbitrariness on the parts of the developers. Like, can't we have something like this for men? (It's kind of ironic that this resembles the unisex Thavnairian outfit but it's completely unacceptable for women to actually wear that)

It fits the thematics of the Thavnairian sets, looks good, and provides an equivalent for males to the Thavnairian bustier set. For those of us who want to look a little regal.

[NozomiKei]

The way I see the situation with the people against male characters having the same number of options for glamour is like the situation with people against gay marriage (although this topic has nothing to do with sexuality or gender identity so don't go twisting my words):
Making gay marriage legal will have absolutely zero personal effect on them if they aren't gay and looking to get married. You straight? Doesn't affect you. You looking to get married and are straight? Still doesn't affect you. Making gay marriage legal doesn't somehow remove heterosexual marriage from the world. Gay people who get married don't suddenly start shooting laser beams from their bodies, killing all heterosexuals surrounding them, they just keep going about their lives as they always did with perhaps a ring on their finger.

Making this outfit available for males won't affect you if you aren't looking to wear it. Only want to wear the unisex outfit? Doesn't affect you. Don't care about glamour and wear nothing but unglamoured gear? Doesn't affect you. Making this outfit unisex doesn't remove the other unisex outfit or any other outfits from the game. Males who wear this outfit won't suddenly start flashing like a disco ball as they waltz across your screen.

Or another way to look at it. You don't color with crayons ever but your little nephew and niece do so you occasionally see their crappy scribbles. When their parents got them their latest packs of crayons they told them they were to only use their pack, no sharing. Your niece actually got 7 unique colors in her pack, but your nephew got 7 colors that she didn't get too. Their parents make your nephew break each of his unique colors in half and give a piece to his sister. Your nephew is understandably upset that he didn't get part of her special colors. You really dislike the extra colors your niece got; you think they look terrible on the types of drawings your nephew makes. This leads to you bullying your young nephew when he asks for crayon color equality, even though him having those colors would in reality have no effect on your life at all. You would deny him out of spite.

[Samcaesar]

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Heck, the only reason why "Men wearing dresses" is brought up on the supportive side (From what I can see anyways), is it's the easiest option (No need to sit down and say, "Alright! So what's the most masculine wedding clothes ever?", "What's a masculine version of the spring dress", or "Okay, so what would the third Thanavarian set look like.." ), and prevents SE from just making whatever new set being made for men into another unisex set. Plus, you know, it's SE throwing a bone towards folks with men PCs who want more traditionally feminine clothing, which is nice.

[MStowastiqVahlshdeh]

Good point re: the Scylla gear... with that, and a lot of Healing (and to a lesser extent casting), to wear it without glamouring it essentially means going in drag... so they're willing to put me in a granny dress if I equip Scylla's Healing gear... and yet I can't wear a pair of bunny ears because that would somehow be wrong.

(FYI male bunnies do exist, if they didn't we would have run out of female bunnies long long ago)

I was thinking of that when I noticed there was no male alt to the costume in the Gold Saucer, would be great to have that and I am always for unisex options on as many items of clothing as possible.

[Saito_S]

Meh. If SE decided to add more options for male characters to balance against what's available for female characters, I can't say I'd be opposed to them doing that, exactly. Yet, at the same time, I kind of feel like just saying: the shoe is on the other foot now, so deal with it. Plenty of games have had this exact same kind of imbalance - in many cases far worse of an imbalance - but weighted toward more and better options for males.

Still, in the interest of "more options are always good", like I said above, I wouldn't be against them adding more male options.

I'm still against Males wearing risky female Outfits because the Style these Outfits have compliment the wrong Places on the Male Body. If you mean a complete redo so that it matches and compliments the Male body with Unisex im all for it.

But no Fem Skirts and Stuff for Men. What many here forget is that other Players have to endure your look. Sometimes when I see a Female Character dressed like a Slut/Whore i have to surpress that Urge to walk her up and Shout "HEY. How much do you charge per Stunt?!".

It's 2015. If a male avatar in a video game wears a dress it affects you not at all, no matter how much you wish to pretend otherwise.

"Endure" their look. How classy. Your bizarre fear of cross-dressing, vehement insistence that everyone conform to outdated gender norms, and outright misogyny are far far more difficult to endure, believe me.

*shrug* they had it coming.

Titan almighty. Frankly, I truly hope the option for men to wear dresses IS added to the game at some point, just to spite your slut-shaming 18th-century ass.

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Yep. There's an interesting double-standard here, too, because I'd bet money that there's a lot of crossover between the "Males shouldn't wear dresses because it's NOT RIGHT" crowd, and the "Sexy female skimpy armor designs are fine/it's just fantasy/you can't squash SE's artistic vision!" crowd. Seriously, among the people that would be up in arms complaining if SE suddenly gave men the ability to wear a bunch of very feminine clothing items such as dresses, demanding that things to be changed back to the way they were, a bunch of those same people would be first in line to defend the "sexy" outfits forced on female characters for certain gear sets (i.e. Dragoon AF tummy window, Ninja AF low-cut "armor" top) if someone were to point out how ridiculous and sexist they are and lobby SE to change them (or, if not defend the gear itself, deride those bothered by it as "oversensitive").

[FallenArisen0990]

I love these threads. People just can't accept the fact females are better cared for than males.

[NozomiKei]

And tanking classes better than casters. As a player with a male caster who loves glamour, well... ouch.

[Reaperking386]

I don't know. I think I am OK with the idea of sex excluded gear. I understand some people want the same type of gear that is gated by the opposite sex, but it makes them more unique and different. Yes, we want to be even, but sometimes square does not like the male model gear or the female model gear and only stays with one, but sometimes they make equal counterparts like the new Thavnairian set. I like the idea, but wish for exclusion so they can be different and unique.