A serious discussion about abridging the story quest 1-50 (discouraging new players)

[KisaiTenshi]

Ok. I can use numbers too. lets use your numbers from above. Out of those 183 people that commented or liked or voted or whatever, 74 (40%) say its a problem. Now....If i am selling any product or im doing almost anything where 40% is negative or bad, Im getting ready to make some changes. Just saying...

And only 1/3rd of the original V2.x part of the game needs to be completed to get to HW.

This is not a democratic vote where whoever "wins" makes SE do something. SE isn't going to do anything. GO LOOK AT FFXI.

It's not like it hasn't ever been mentioned months in advance.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/...d-new-details/

Final Fantasy XIV recently celebrated the milestone of four million registered accounts, but this success isn’t changing the team’s plans:
“The number of subscriptions doesn’t necessarily affect the development of the game, since the number of people who can enter a certain zone or server is limited,” says Yoshida. “There may be opportunities to increase the number of servers to accommodate more players, but the content itself isn’t affected by the number of people playing.”
He went on to explain that the development team is conscious of a gap between newer players and FFXIV veterans, and that they continue to look for ways to bridge content and help new Eorzeans transition into high-level content, eventually becoming veterans themselves.
“One advantage of having more players subscribe is more revenue,” he continued, “not only for Square Enix but for us to put back into the game. By having more players join us, we can feed that back into polishing the quality of your gameplay experience.”

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Naoki Yoshida: You will have to already own A Realm Reborn, plus complete all of the main story quests up through Patch 2.55. After that, an introductory quest for Heavensward will become available; accepting that quest will then guide you through the gates of Ishgard. All of the job quests related to the new jobs will be in Ishgard as well, so the condition to access those will be the same. If a player had stopped playing around Patch 2.2 or 2.3, it would be best to revisit the A Realm Reborn main story quests to get back into the groove as you head towards Heavensward!

[QiLymePye]

^^^^Dude, I dont care how many times you post that....post how many new people to final fantasy xiv knew that? Once again, the newbies aren't searching online for every bit of news pertaining to final fantasy if they never played it. They aren't watching interviews, posting on forums, etc. And I know what they said, I'm saying that it was a wrong business move. Thats what im saying. You make it seem like SE can't make a mistake and just because they do something, its right and justified. Im saying this will hurt not just them, but us a players in the long run if they keep gating expansions behind completing all of the "story quest" up to that expansion.

[Cid_Grim]

^^^^ The "newbies" are busy playing the game. It's just a vocal minority on the forums who want to skip the entire game and play in the expanded areas.

[QiLymePye]

^^^^ The "newbies" are busy playing the game. It's just a vocal minority on the forums who want to skip the entire game and play in the expanded areas.

I don't understand why people are saying skip the entire game. Im not saying that. That would be stupid. Im saying cut down the time it would take to complete the mainstory. This doesn't affect me. Im not complaining for myself. I've been playing for a very long while. But I also understand the frustration and angst behind the complaints. Also, because they aren't on the forums doesn't mean they are busy playing. Like you said , the forums are only a small fraction of the players...even players that have already been playing and such. And I would expect newbies to not even be aware of this forum. i was playing for over a year before I knew of these forums.

[Erepio]

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so beacuse ppl didnt bother doing a 5min research before the bought the game its SE fault? in the HW page it says that to have access you need to have "sufficient progress in main scenario" in red letters

also you clearly missed the parts where most us are ok with trimming down the main story (which btw YoshiP in an interview said they will be thinking of doing when 4.0 etc hits) but the fact is this thread has turn to a "make story optional" by other ppl including the OP himself and thats what most of are arguing against.

[Tuathaa]

Then these same people denounce me for saying that WoW conditioned them to be this way, when the very reason they site to complain about this is "other MMOs don't do this."

WoW didn't condition any one or any compay, the only reason "other mmo's" follow that pattern is that it makes financial sense to do so.
Expansion's are to keep players and attract new players. HW so far is great at keeping current players but gives no incentive for new players.

[Tuathaa]

so beacuse ppl didnt bother doing a 5min research before the bought the game its SE fault? in the HW page it says that to have access you need to have "sufficient progress in main scenario" in red letters

Under the early access part of the description and is still under the early access section even though early access is over.
What they should have said was "mandatory completion of ARR storyline" or something similiar where it says ARR required. They didn't because they knew it would hurt sales.

[Madjames]

WoW didn't condition any one or any compay, the only reason "other mmo's" follow that pattern is that it makes financial sense to do so.
Expansion's are to keep players and attract new players. HW so far is great at keeping current players but gives no incentive for new players.

exactly man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bLYc4BwmjA

That is all I can say. There has been No justification as to why people should be allowed to choose how they level and why they cant get into HW when they are level 50.

The MSQ should be optional and SE could be gaining more subs then they have now had they done it this way.

How am I any different then making it optional by ESCing the story, or anyone else? How is me or anyone else skipping the story hurting anyone else?

Giving players the option to skip the main story quest is not hurting anyone else's gameplay.

[Madjames]

so beacuse ppl didnt bother doing a 5min research before the bought the game its SE fault? in the HW page it says that to have access you need to have "sufficient progress in main scenario" in red letters

also you clearly missed the parts where most us are ok with trimming down the main story (which btw YoshiP in an interview said they will be thinking of doing when 4.0 etc hits) but the fact is this thread has turn to a "make story optional" by other ppl including the OP himself and thats what most of are arguing against.

We are asking to making it optional because it ALREADY IS just about. If it wasnt, then we would not be able to ESC through it all. A lot of level 60 friends have skipped the entire story from beginning to end. How are they any different then making it optional? There is no difference. Those who ESC through it all do not hurt anyone's gameplay just as skippng the whole thing and allowing us to level with say fate grinding to 60 would not hurt anyone else's gameplay. NO good reason has been given as to why REQUIRING THE MSQ is a good thing and hot it will HURT other players gameplay if it were skippable.

[Airget]

exactly man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bLYc4BwmjA

That is all I can say. There has been No justification as to why people should be allowed to choose how they level and why they cant get into HW when they are level 50.

The MSQ should be optional and SE could be gaining more subs then they have now had they done it this way.

How am I any different then making it optional by ESCing the story, or anyone else? How is me or anyone else skipping the story hurting anyone else?

Giving players the option to skip the main story quest is not hurting anyone else's gameplay.

You'll be thanking SE later when you notice the lack of RMT in the new zones.