PVP - Ideas & Expectations!!

[AmyRae]

PvE is like a religion with the FF group, even suggesting it is blasphemous! And god help you if you suggest that SE look at ideas that have worked for other companies like regional servers or pvp and pve only servers... everyone knows there's only one true way (whatever the director decides). I think if players like Zephir had there way, people would have to submit applications and prove there worthiness/dedication in order to play ffxiv

Sorry, but this logic is flawed.

I will use it to demonstrate why FFXIV "should" be turned into an FPS.

PvE is like a religion with the FF group, even suggesting it that it become a mainstream FPS is blasphemous! And god help you if you suggest that SE look at ideas that have worked for other companies (Call of Duty rakes in millions!), everyone knows there's only one true way (whatever the director decides). I think if players like Zephir had there way, people would have to submit applications and prove there worthiness/dedication in order to play FFXIV.

So, support making FFXIV an FPS, or you're nothing but a fanboy.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

If they can make Final Fantasy - War Hawk style I'm all up for it LOL land and air battles all going on at same time, charging with chocobo's and having squad full of mages all lined up casting spells. But due to the server and gaming specs probably impossible...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Iu56o5WS8

For those of you that don't know the game.

Reinhart I think you might have found a video of the worst Warhawk pilot ever. Lol.

[Reinheart]

Reinhart I think you might have found a video of the worst Warhawk pilot ever. Lol.

lol I just grabbed any vid

[Jdog]

I lol'd at this. He may be a bit extreme but I as a FF player/ fan base...disagree with your reason why, and I'm getting this implied version from you, it's not the idea of it (PvP) being bad it's just some don't like or want it to be THE MAIN part of the game. Imo, there have been some really good ideas posted from both sides so don't let Zephir's thoughts cloud your judgement of the rest of us. And just because it works in other games doesn't mean it has to be part of THIS game.

I lol'd at this aswell, however it probably wasnt with the same intentions as you, i laughed because its kinda true. Talking about pvp to FF players is like a curse word, why? you would ask...well that's because sadly FF attracts alot of weird failures who were rejected by most games or simply couldnt hang...I have played ALL MMO's so i've been very open minded about things i would say. In the end Square enix is a business who needs cash, pleasing the large majority is or should be priority. For you to say since it works for other games doesn't mean it has to be part of this game....stop and think about what you just said....Those words are so ignorant it isn't even funny. If something works in other games WHY wouldn't you use it in this one? Yes i didn't like how important WoW's pvp was but that was mostly since only certain comps works and if you weren't those certain classes you couldn't break the 2200 arena barrier. But back on subject there is a reason why WoW has over 11 million people playing it, think about that, 11 million people at 15 bucks a month....Blizzard is filthy rich now just from releasing a game that pleased the majority with a fast paced game were you could PvE or PVP, you weren't forced to PvE or PVP if pvp wasnt your thing you didnt have to do it, but for people who hate PvE they could PVP...what does this do? It grabs both types of players increasing the amount of people who play the game in general. Some people do fanboy wayyy to much its pathetic, ff fanboys and wow fanboys, i personally aren't either but i enjoy having fun and can see the pluses in every game...it isn't very hard. Until the asians learn to westernize their games with a pvp route....they will always fall in the money making department compared to other companies with common sense and understand how the MMO industry works.

[Amadas]

Look I know it's a touchy subject and all but really it's not that unrealistic.

I mean Yoshi stated somewhere that classes are supposed to be for soloing while jobs are for group play right? So why not make that coincide with PvP vs PvE? Two separate systems for PvP & PvE = perfect opportunity to make solo "classes" balance with PvP while jobs balance with PvE.

Classes can mix and match their skills which is not all that strategic for raids/NMs etc. but would be perfect for organizing an assault against a player. And on the other hand, for PvE to work you need limitations on who can do what to X monster so it wont just be a cluster fuck of people waling on it with no set strategy, which is what jobs are for. So what the hell is the incentive to playing a individual classes other than "oh I only play on the weekends and I want to solo?" Solo what? leve mobs and low level dungeons? shoot me.

Let's be real... FF fans don't solo lol... at least not us. if you've stuck around this long then you have some dedication and your heart probably is set on PvE. Why not give the few casual players we have something to be happy about?

[Chain]

I lol'd at this aswell, however it probably wasnt with the same intentions as you, i laughed because its kinda true. Talking about pvp to FF players is like a curse word, why? you would ask...well that's because sadly FF attracts alot of weird failures who were rejected by most games or simply couldnt hang...I have played ALL MMO's so i've been very open minded about things i would say. In the end Square enix is a business who needs cash, pleasing the large majority is or should be priority. For you to say since it works for other games doesn't mean it has to be part of this game....stop and think about what you just said....Those words are so ignorant it isn't even funny. If something works in other games WHY wouldn't you use it in this one? Yes i didn't like how important WoW's pvp was but that was mostly since only certain comps works and if you weren't those certain classes you couldn't break the 2200 arena barrier. But back on subject there is a reason why WoW has over 11 million people playing it, think about that, 11 million people at 15 bucks a month....Blizzard is filthy rich now just from releasing a game that pleased the majority with a fast paced game were you could PvE or PVP, you weren't forced to PvE or PVP if pvp wasnt your thing you didnt have to do it, but for people who hate PvE they could PVP...what does this do? It grabs both types of players increasing the amount of people who play the game in general. Some people do fanboy wayyy to much its pathetic, ff fanboys and wow fanboys, i personally aren't either but i enjoy having fun and can see the pluses in every game...it isn't very hard. Until the asians learn to westernize their games with a pvp route....they will always fall in the money making department compared to other companies with common sense and understand how the MMO industry works.

Wall of text, didn't read. I assume it's just mindless blabber.

[AmyRae]

I lol'd at this aswell, however it probably wasnt with the same intentions as you, i laughed because its kinda true. Talking about pvp to FF players is like a curse word, why?

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Until the asians learn to westernize their games with a pvp route....they will always fall in the money making department compared to other companies with common sense and understand how the MMO industry works.

This is... almost offensive.

First, I could list many Asian MMOs with PvP. Lineage, TERA, hell even DragonBall Online. Oh, yeah, FFXI has PvP in it too. :P

Second, there will most likely be PvP in FFXIV someday. It just won't be the hide-in-bushes-and-repeatedly-gank-players-30-levels-lower-than-you PvP so you can laugh at them. And, frankly, I'm okay with that.

[Hexaemeron]

lol @ all of you who think the CryTools engine can handle PVP. I'm all for the idea of it, in theory. Why not just have a PVP guild to join and those players can accept the possibility of proving their mettle against other guildies out in the world? Those who don't opt in... are out.

But really, there's -no- way PVP can happen with the engine/backend/server response lag as things stand now. It would look like an old couple fighting over the last yogurt.

[Nanaya]

I was one of the readily apparent minority that loved the hell out of Ballista in XI, so something akin to that would be amazing for me. Not anytime soon, of course, because it's already hard enough with this server lag to dodge 3+ second AoEs, let alone the twitch response time needed for decent PvP.

Whatever it turns out to be, it simply needs to be as heavily team oriented as Ballista was. If you ran off and did your own thing, congratulations on giving the opposition Gate Breach, thanks for playing. The devs have made it very clear that they don't want these Final Fantasy MMOs to be about your character being a one man army, you rely on others, or you fail. If there is PvP, I hope it reflects that truth.

[Raze]

Team PvP in XI/V = cool

Single PvP in XI/V = waaaah imbalanced classes

Keep it in a voluntary instance and it's cool.