Dear Yoshi-P, can we see male miqo'te concept art/models?

[Fensfield]

Lor' but I hope they look similar to female Miqo'te..

I have had it up to here with MMO feline races having the females all slender and kemonomimi and the males being bloody great, over-muscled barely-anthropomorphs -.- Certainly if they did that it'd kill the not insignificant interest I have in making a boy Miqo'te..

And beyond that, wouldn't it be nice if for once, just for once, an MMO had an effeminate male side to a race? FF XI doesn't count, of course, since they weren't playable. Their rarity was interesting of course, but.. wouldn't count to that end.

But yeah no massive beastman things please, not when the females are as they are -.-

[Perrin_Aybarra]

Lor' but I hope they look similar to female Miqo'te..

I have had it up to here with MMO feline races having the females all slender and kemonomimi and the males being bloody great, over-muscled barely-anthropomorphs -.- Certainly if they did that it's kill any interest I have in making a boy Miqo'te..

And beyond that, wouldn't it be nice if for once, just for once, an MMO had an effeminate male side to a race? FF XI doesn't count, of course, since they weren't playable. Their rarity was interesting of course, but.. wouldn't count to that end.

But yeah no massive beastman things please, not when the females are as they are -.-

I think both can exist, let's say the Sun ones would be more muscular and the keepers of the moon would be more slender/effiminated?

[Fensfield]

I think both can exist, let's say the Sun ones would be more muscular and the keepers of the moon would be more slender/effiminated?

Mmh.. well, I wouldn't be best pleased about it, but I admit, I could settle for that compromise.

And if done really well it might even be kind of cool, but they'd have to go about it pretty awesomely.

[Enthy]

I hope they make male miqotes look more like a highlander male than some skinny girly-boy. Make them manly and feral looking. But not over the top beastly lol.

[Frein]

And beyond that, wouldn't it be nice if for once, just for once, an MMO had an effeminate male side to a race?

You mean like midlanders in FFXIV, humes in FFXI and blood elves in WoW? If anything, effeminate male characters are absolutely everywhere and especially so in Asian games.

[Fensfield]

You mean like midlanders in FFXIV, humes in FFXI and blood elves in WoW? If anything, effeminate male characters are absolutely everywhere and especially so in Asian games.

No, not really. There's a difference between 'not all that masculine' and 'effeminate', and that's not even getting into the obsession of Western AAA titles with might-be-abusing-steroids-or-worse male characters

In fact, you know what .. to be blunt, in this case, I mean downright girly. That's not something I've seen even in MMORPG's originating in the East; not as playables, anyway.

Not that I'm saying I'd want that in a race, as such. I'd sooner prefer that as just.. being possible in character creation/customisation. But hey, a race themed so would be a step in the right direction, and even then, an entire race/racial gender so-themed wouldn't be completely without merits over open customisation.

[Reinheart]

http://goo.gl/8FWJc forgetting someone? well not actually cat male so might not count....

http://goo.gl/5GtVI oh wait this is a dog...

[Fensfield]

http://goo.gl/8FWJc forgetting someone? well not actually cat male so might not count....

http://goo.gl/5GtVI oh wait this is a dog...

Pretty sure the females of at least the first example's race were rather similar in build and appearance.

Also, I 'counter' with...

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...lda_visual.jpg - Milda
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__.../21/Darlin.gif - Milda's husband.

Same race, I do not kid. Fairly old though Grandia may be, I'm pretty sure Lanians were a spoof of 'slender women beastly men' despite how young.. or at least how non-all-consuming - the trope must have been back then.

Oh and just to point out, because I'm pretty sure it wasn't absolutely clear in my earlier posts, I'm making two, seperate arguments:

1. I, personally, am of the opinion that having one gender of a race look elegant and pretty, and the other look like they escaped from the muscle-fetish arm of the furry community, is rather silly, and vastly overused. This isn't concerned about which gender is in which role.
2. I think it would be unique, and fun, were an MMO to for once allow a male character to be genuinely feminine and/or downright girly to the point of confusion; not just not-a-muscle-monster, handsome, or even occasionally just-a-tiny-bit-on-the-pretty-side.

I am not ragging on the overabundance of massively-muscled men in the MMO genre .. at least that isn't the point in this post, though I'm sure you've picked up on my distaste for that (though were it a serious quibble I'd be ranting about Roegadyn, wouldn't I?). My problem, for the purposes of this post, is the regularity with which developers, when including a race that is in some way anthropomorphic in their work, feel compelled to make one gender slender and/or beautiful, and the other hyper-masculine.

I don't even find the idea of it too bothersome in and of itself, I just think it's hugely over-prevalent in the genre, and further, do not believe Miqo'te would benefit from being yet another to subscribe to the trend. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they stand to get a lot more mileage out of being one of the only races in an MMO in a long time (to my knowledge), and especially in the mainstream of the present moment, to be anthropomorphic and have their males and females strongly comparable in appearance.

[Frein]

No, not really. There's a difference between 'not all that masculine' and 'effeminate', and that's not even getting into the obsession of Western AAA titles with might-be-abusing-steroids-or-worse male characters

Fair enough. I did love my enormous Tauren in WoW, though.

1. I, personally, am of the opinion that having one gender of a race look elegant and pretty, and the other look like they escaped from the muscle-fetish arm of the furry community, is rather silly, and vastly overused. This isn't concerned about which gender is in which role.
2. I think it would be unique, and fun, were an MMO to for once allow a male character to be genuinely feminine and/or downright girly to the point of confusion; not just not-a-muscle-monster, handsome, or even occasionally just-a-tiny-bit-on-the-pretty-side.

I don't even find the idea of it too bothersome in and of itself, I just think it's hugely over-prevalent in the genre, and further, do not believe Miqo'te would benefit from being yet another to subscribe to the trend. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they stand to get a lot more mileage out of being one of the only races in an MMO in a long time (to my knowledge), and especially in the mainstream of the present moment, to be anthropomorphic and have their males and females strongly comparable in appearance.

I would actually prefer Miqo'te to be more athletic in appearance (visible abs, some biceps and more defined thigh musculature would go a long way), more animalistic in mannerism and more savage in behaviour, but I suppose it's too late to ask for that now. They kind of took the FFXI Mithra and instead of further emphasizing the feline side, they toned it down and made them more human, which I find disappointing.

If there is a game that will make your wish come true, though, it very well could be FFXIV simply because the Japanese have a very different idea of what an attractive man looks like. I swear all those women are actually confused lesbians.

[Fensfield]

If there is a game that will make your wish come true, though, it very well could be FFXIV simply because the Japanese have a very different idea of what an attractive man looks like. I swear all those women are actually confused lesbians.

You know I was so very tempted to mention the bishounen fashion trend providing a possible 'market' for such characters..

Anyway, I'm presently being irritated by a drunken family, so I'll not get into a complex reply. Suffice to say good points and all (and not all that far from what I was getting at.. in some ways, though it does look like we wouldn't wholly agree), I've stuck a /Like on your post.