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    http://goo.gl/8FWJc forgetting someone? well not actually cat male so might not count....

    http://goo.gl/5GtVI oh wait this is a dog...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinheart View Post
    http://goo.gl/8FWJc forgetting someone? well not actually cat male so might not count....

    http://goo.gl/5GtVI oh wait this is a dog...
    Pretty sure the females of at least the first example's race were rather similar in build and appearance.

    Also, I 'counter' with...

    http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...lda_visual.jpg - Milda
    http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__.../21/Darlin.gif - Milda's husband.

    Same race, I do not kid. Fairly old though Grandia may be, I'm pretty sure Lanians were a spoof of 'slender women beastly men' despite how young.. or at least how non-all-consuming - the trope must have been back then.

    Oh and just to point out, because I'm pretty sure it wasn't absolutely clear in my earlier posts, I'm making two, seperate arguments:
    1. I, personally, am of the opinion that having one gender of a race look elegant and pretty, and the other look like they escaped from the muscle-fetish arm of the furry community, is rather silly, and vastly overused. This isn't concerned about which gender is in which role.
    2. I think it would be unique, and fun, were an MMO to for once allow a male character to be genuinely feminine and/or downright girly to the point of confusion; not just not-a-muscle-monster, handsome, or even occasionally just-a-tiny-bit-on-the-pretty-side.

    I am not ragging on the overabundance of massively-muscled men in the MMO genre .. at least that isn't the point in this post, though I'm sure you've picked up on my distaste for that (though were it a serious quibble I'd be ranting about Roegadyn, wouldn't I?). My problem, for the purposes of this post, is the regularity with which developers, when including a race that is in some way anthropomorphic in their work, feel compelled to make one gender slender and/or beautiful, and the other hyper-masculine.

    I don't even find the idea of it too bothersome in and of itself, I just think it's hugely over-prevalent in the genre, and further, do not believe Miqo'te would benefit from being yet another to subscribe to the trend. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they stand to get a lot more mileage out of being one of the only races in an MMO in a long time (to my knowledge), and especially in the mainstream of the present moment, to be anthropomorphic and have their males and females strongly comparable in appearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fensfield View Post
    No, not really. There's a difference between 'not all that masculine' and 'effeminate', and that's not even getting into the obsession of Western AAA titles with might-be-abusing-steroids-or-worse male characters
    Fair enough. I did love my enormous Tauren in WoW, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fensfield View Post
    1. I, personally, am of the opinion that having one gender of a race look elegant and pretty, and the other look like they escaped from the muscle-fetish arm of the furry community, is rather silly, and vastly overused. This isn't concerned about which gender is in which role.
    2. I think it would be unique, and fun, were an MMO to for once allow a male character to be genuinely feminine and/or downright girly to the point of confusion; not just not-a-muscle-monster, handsome, or even occasionally just-a-tiny-bit-on-the-pretty-side.

    I don't even find the idea of it too bothersome in and of itself, I just think it's hugely over-prevalent in the genre, and further, do not believe Miqo'te would benefit from being yet another to subscribe to the trend. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they stand to get a lot more mileage out of being one of the only races in an MMO in a long time (to my knowledge), and especially in the mainstream of the present moment, to be anthropomorphic and have their males and females strongly comparable in appearance.
    I would actually prefer Miqo'te to be more athletic in appearance (visible abs, some biceps and more defined thigh musculature would go a long way), more animalistic in mannerism and more savage in behaviour, but I suppose it's too late to ask for that now. They kind of took the FFXI Mithra and instead of further emphasizing the feline side, they toned it down and made them more human, which I find disappointing.

    If there is a game that will make your wish come true, though, it very well could be FFXIV simply because the Japanese have a very different idea of what an attractive man looks like. I swear all those women are actually confused lesbians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frein View Post
    If there is a game that will make your wish come true, though, it very well could be FFXIV simply because the Japanese have a very different idea of what an attractive man looks like. I swear all those women are actually confused lesbians.

    You know I was so very tempted to mention the bishounen fashion trend providing a possible 'market' for such characters..

    Anyway, I'm presently being irritated by a drunken family, so I'll not get into a complex reply. Suffice to say good points and all (and not all that far from what I was getting at.. in some ways, though it does look like we wouldn't wholly agree), I've stuck a /Like on your post.
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    Last edited by Fensfield; 08-26-2011 at 05:37 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frein View Post
    If there is a game that will make your wish come true, though, it very well could be FFXIV simply because the Japanese have a very different idea of what an attractive man looks like. I swear all those women are actually confused lesbians.
    Guin

    http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/51/guin01.jpg

    Guin Saga is the longest continuing single-writer's work in the world with total circulation exceeding 28 million worldwide.
    By a Japanese female author~ Btw, the anime theme was composed by *coughs* Nobuo Uematsu *coughs*. They should totally have them as Miqo'te theme~
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYngk0vw8_A
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZhsme8YQXE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP8Bl...eature=related

    He rocks. Make 'em Male Miqo'te like him, or at least make him an NPC, say, King of Miqo'te (basically, you know, like Ant Queen, make babies...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariyaShidou View Post
    Guin
    You mean King?
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