Any other Black Mages annoyed?

[HaroldSaxon]

^ you say a lot of smart things, and i respect your blm play but this is just plain wrong.

blm offers VERY strong single target burst AND sustained dps, its harder to work with however. the cool thing about blm is is how you can use flare to refresh AF stacks and beef up dps via aoe on a lot of encounters, like ravana. Our aoe damage isn't terrible, granted it isn't summoner.

Just for the record I do agree smn currently out performs us, just not in single target, but rather as an overall view.

According to you however, no one should ever play ninja or dragoon either.

tl"dr blm is the mario of dps i guess. not good but not bad. There are better choice i suppose.

Name me a fight where the burst from BLM is needed that can't be replaced by a dragoon.
Short of a fight mechanic (Physical resistance, or magic damage only, or something like T13 megaflare) that makes it non-viable to run a caster in single target, a 3 Melee party will do more single target DPS than Duel Melee + BLM/SMN.

As you said yourself, there are better choices, which is exactly what I was saying. I don't understand how i'm wrong if you agree with me.

[HaroldSaxon]

Then you get smacked with a physical dmg reduction mechanic and you're boned.

Yeah, and does that happen in every fight? It takes "cheese" fight mechanics to make it non-viable.

[Meleoffs]

Yeah, and does that happen in every fight? It takes "cheese" fight mechanics to make it non-viable.

I'm not saying it happens in every fight, nor am I saying the mechanics are good. We have precedent for them existing so why would you make the assumption that they won''t?

[Sleigh]

Name me a fight where the burst from BLM is needed that can't be replaced by a dragoon.
Short of a fight mechanic (Physical resistance, or magic damage only, or something like T13 megaflare) that makes it non-viable to run a caster in single target, a 3 Melee party will do more single target DPS than Duel Melee + BLM/SMN.

As you said yourself, there are better choices, which is exactly what I was saying. I don't understand how i'm wrong if you agree with me.

Single target is a small (though extremely important) part of the bigger picture. If you look at the whole picture you'll see that aside from T8 and some other turns where when you extremely overgear them the way they're handled is not traditional, caster's always got a spot.

[Xisin]

What I'm saying is, is that blm rounds out a comp nicely, once tweaked slightly we'll be in a good position. We ST burst harder than ANYONE. We are likely 2nd or 3rd in single target period, the only melee I have issues with out dpsing are monks, granted I have foe. No one is complaining about blm aoe either... well besides that smn has better aoe... but hell that's fine we actually do more ST by a decent margin.

What we are looking at is this:

2nd~ ST overall
2nd~ AOE overall
Meh utility but eye for an eye is useful, apoc is too
We deal with adds in certain situations better than smn prob... example t13 drakes during the first orb phase. or ravana butterflies.

I use ~ mainly because I'm not entirely confident to say that yet but that's what it feels like so far.

We honestly just need uses for thunder, and less clunkiness, despite me saying that I do well there are times where I still drop something and feel like an idiot (Fire chain 1 says hi when astral fire drops while I'm casting blizz 3)

[Dante_V]

The reality is that clearing final coil pre nerf without a caster dps was a lot harder than it was with a caster. I think 3 melee is a handicap honestly in certain raid situations. There are quite a few fights that become harder due to over crowding on the boss and lack of ability to do magic damage or aoe LB in a raid setting. I'd rather have 2 melees, ranged/support, and a caster any day of the week.

[Sleigh]

What I'm saying is, is that blm rounds out a comp nicely, once tweaked slightly we'll be in a good position. We ST burst harder than ANYONE. We are likely 2nd or 3rd in single target period, the only melee I have issues with out dpsing are monks, granted I have foe. No one is complaining about blm aoe either... well besides that smn has better aoe... but hell that's fine we actually do more ST by a decent margin.

What we are looking at is this:

2nd~ ST overall
2nd~ AOE overall
Meh utility but eye for an eye is useful, apoc is too
We deal with adds in certain situations better than smn prob... example t13 drakes during the first orb phase. or ravana butterflies.

We honestly just need uses for thunder, and less clunkiness, despite me saying that I do well there are times where I still drop something and feel like an idiot (Fire chain 1 says hi when umbral ice drops while I'm casting blizz 3)

Yeah I'm in the, BLM is in the best spot it's ever been, camp.

I also just happen to be in the, SMN is in the best spot ever, camp

[Twilite]

BLM could use: a small potency buff to fire 2, not much a very small tuning, some kind of tuning to thunder, and an extension on AF by 1-2 second... and that is it.

I'd just take leylines moving with me, and AF/UI extended by 2 seconds. Fire II is powerful enough, imo.

[pandabearcat]

I don't think fire II needs a damage buff. It is similar to SMN bane in that it is your "aoe spam" type ability that is expected to be always up, and expected to scale down with multiple mobs.

Flare I would not mind having less scaling or possibly no scaling, like Painflare/Deathflare, however it will need a cooldown in that case, or lowered baseline potency to match the fact it can be used more often than painflare/deathflare.

[OneWingedSora]

What I'm saying is, is that blm rounds out a comp nicely, once tweaked slightly we'll be in a good position. We ST burst harder than ANYONE. We are likely 2nd or 3rd in single target period, the only melee I have issues with out dpsing are monks, granted I have foe. No one is complaining about blm aoe either... well besides that smn has better aoe... but hell that's fine we actually do more ST by a decent margin.

There's no way you are beating a DRG in ST unless that DRG is trash. In terms of ST its: DRG > MNK > BLM=NIN > SMN

However, since people seem to think going 3x melee is the best route, I would say SMN will probably come out the highest during progression since it gets impacted the least by mechanics(NIN too I guess). The other jobs require heavy fight knowledge to be able to shine.