Bard - they broke my job

[aabe]

to be honest, the main thing I like about BRD now is that there's actually a sense of decision making depending on when you may have to move, what cooldowns are up, procs, etc. as much as I love the job and I loved my jumping around, the 50 rotation ever since I got there felt very simple and boring at times.

I'd honestly have what is more of a reactionary/planned out rotation than a very cut and dry (more or less this, every job has situational things ofc) "keep up your dots, keep up SS and hit the proc, keep everything else on CD at all times" and that's about all the advice you need to get surprisingly close to the skill cap on pre-3.0 BRD. I highly prefer WM's playstyle because it allows for more profound gaps in player skill, I'd love for a job to have a very easy way to separate who's good, who's decent, and who's clueless. cont--

[aabe]

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and personally, I'm quite happy with how WM is now and I get a DPS increase from it on each fight I use it on, I assure you I'm not just bad with it off because it kinda makes zero sense for it to be a consistent boost for me when WM-OFF was how I played the job for two years. I'm not gonna complain about buffs; but the thing is, people here are acting like WM is the sole problem or that the new skills every other DPS was given, are the reason that they do 250-400 DPS more than BRD rather than ~100 pre-xpac. The core thing people are forgetting is that melee scale very well. We have SS, but that's crit, every other job either(or both) smashes out higher potency or they have skills that scale extremely well such as HT+Disemb or MNK's insane amount of full uptime self-buffs, while BRD's dps is great with CDs it completely falls off past that point and so it just doesn't scale very well. I feel that it's an issue with the core of the job, rather than the new expansion skills and WM alone.

[aabe]

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To make it sound a bit simpler, try parsing a dummy with WM off. I'll assume most people here are in the 750-840 region with a no-wm no-pots no-food dummy parse. Autos should be doing around 140 (lol det nerf)
at a good ilvl, so take that away. 610-700, now if you want to be put up to what is relatively where BRD was pre-expansion, say 100-150 behind your melee depending on DRG or not, you're basically asking that these few skills give you an upwards of like an 80% DPS increase if you really want to be up to a good relative spot compared to 2.x

My real issue with BRD right now is how far they've fallen behind due to scaling, but I really don't think the solution is to just stack more bonus damage onto WM until the job is back up to par.

[Ephier]

To make it sound a bit simpler, try parsing a dummy with WM off. I'll assume most people here are in the 750-840 region with a no-wm no-pots no-food dummy parse. Autos should be doing around 140 (lol det nerf)
at a good ilvl, so take that away. 610-700, now if you want to be put up to what is relatively where BRD was pre-expansion, say 100-150 behind your melee depending on DRG or not, you're basically asking that these few skills give you an upwards of like an 80% DPS increase if you really want to be up to a good relative spot compared to 2.x

My real issue with BRD right now is how far they've fallen behind due to scaling, but I really don't think the solution is to just stack more bonus damage onto WM until the job is back up to par.

You can't just say take out auto attacks and chop off 100~150 DPS. You still have to calculate empyreal arrow (barrage makes it just that much stronger) and iron jaws, along with the 20% boost to everything. Given, in mobile fights WM might be a DPS loss, but its not 100~150.

[aabe]

You can't just say take out auto attacks and chop off 100~150 DPS. You still have to calculate empyreal arrow (barrage makes it just that much stronger) and iron jaws, along with the 20% boost to everything. Given, in mobile fights WM might be a DPS loss, but its not 100~150.

This is why I said "these few skills" not "WM".
People want WM+IJ+Empy to combine into some magic 500 DPS increase when the problem is that bard scales like shit, not that the skills all totally suck.

[LeafElksthorne]

I'd honestly have what is more of a reactionary/planned out rotation than a very cut and dry (more or less this, every job has situational things ofc) "keep up your dots, keep up SS and hit the proc, keep everything else on CD at all times" and that's about all the advice you need to get surprisingly close to the skill cap on pre-3.0 BRD.

... how's that any easier than what you do in WM? How's that any easier than hitting a sequence of buttons in order for that matter, the basic rotation for most dps?

Here's the only difference. WM has turned BRD into a caster. That's it.

If you like being a caster you'll like the new crappy BRD.

If you never wanted to be a caster the last two years of gameplay have effectively been crapped on by SE.

So congratulations you happen to be a BRD who enjoys being a caster. That is good to know.

For the rest of us though, this really, really, really sucks.