Bard - they broke my job

[VraeliaValkyria]

Also, wanting to point out, on FB FFXIV groups...everyone is complaining that they miss the AoE rotation. It isn't just me. Sorry to speak the truth that people are wanting back their AoE free combos. Yes, they like the whole linked with Bloodletter bit, but...that doesn't justify taking away a completely nice free AoE rotation. Also, for 2 targets, you would only want to use Bloodletter, using RoD on 2, is redundant. I get like 4+. but, 2? No.

EDIT: Even those who main bard on Sargatanas also complains about this. People wants some of the OLD BARD back. New Bard is good and all, but take things away form old, isn't necessarily justifying the new.

[LenTsani]

Also, wanting to point out, on FB FFXIV groups...everyone is complaining that they miss the AoE rotation. It isn't just me. Sorry to speak the truth that people are wanting back their AoE free combos. Yes, they like the whole linked with Bloodletter bit, but...that doesn't justify taking away a completely nice free AoE rotation. Also, for 2 targets, you would only want to use Bloodletter, using RoD on 2, is redundant. I get like 4+. but, 2? No.

EDIT: Even those who main bard on Sargatanas also complains about this. People wants some of the OLD BARD back. New Bard is good and all, but take things away form old, isn't necessarily justifying the new.

It hasn't been more efficient to do anything but spam Quick Nock since 2.0. The chances of Wide Volley procs made it extremly unlikely that you would come out ahead in terms of TP per potency. The only valid excuse for Wide Volley is laziness of positioning.

[HeavensSword]

Also, for 2 targets, you would only want to use Bloodletter, using RoD on 2, is redundant. I get like 4+. but, 2? No.

Bloodletter is 150 potency single target. RoD being 100 potency on 2 targets = 200 potency. I don't play BRD though, so maybe I'm missing something.

[kalasnikov]

you are weird. 2 or more targets= rain of death is stronger than blood letter and you still have 2 aoe abilities to spam. wide volley has its uses as it has longer range, but on big dungeon pulls quick knock indeed is superior now( less tp, bigger aoe, but needs to be closer than wide volley). Rain of deah is actually really good now, which is a welcome change compared to old Rain of death.

Now just give back the mobility and remove cast times, and i am happy. Screw Wanderer's Minuet!

[yamochan]

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at this point i dont rly get why anyone would complain about that change cause with all the crit we get for free just dot the targets and hammer your more free aoes that u get. i dont see the problem in multidotting while casting free stuff that doesnt effect the global cd but i guess some ppl are complaining just for the sake of doing so. bards aoe got better after 3.0 we only need a link between quick nock and wide volley

[Arrik]

so and now just a quick shoutout to the ppl who actually like the bowmage: plz visit the nearest blackmage guild master of your choice because he will teach you how to mage around so u can stand and cast all the skills you (n)ever wished to have. while you do that i will run around the boss like a mad man cause im a frigging bard and that means im a mobility class.

Please visit the nearest training dummy to learn how to stand still for less than a second and a half. Bard w/ WM is not even close to BLM or the title "Bow Wizard." Casting times on BLM are at least one and a half times, and guess what, you can't turn it off! Not to mention BLM is the reason elemental resistances will never be important.

Should Bard have mobility? Yes.
Should Bard have damage? Yes.
Should those two happen at the same time? No.

This is one thing Yoshi-P needs to stick to his guns on. WM should be required to do good dps, and dropped only when you need mobility. Not used as an opener then dropped the rest of the fight. The main damage ability. People aren't going to like this, but I also think Sidewinder not requiring WM is a mistake.

It's not being deleted, MCH having the same ability shows its gonna be still be here. It just needs to be good enough to be used.

And I like the new AoE rotation, but they need to do something with Wide Volley.

[Elurra]

I think the simplest solution is to allow auto attacks during WM. WM should be a straight 20% dps increase for the inconvenience of standing still and a cast time. Adding in a dps decrease by taking away auto attacks (estimated at around 20%) just makes it a push at best.

[Arrik]

I think the simplest solution is to allow auto attacks during WM. WM should be a straight 20% dps increase for the inconvenience of standing still and a cast time. Adding in a dps decrease by taking away auto attacks (estimated at around 20%) just makes it a push at best.

I have a feeling it's going to go the same way Shield Oath and Defiance did. When those abilities were x2 Enmity it was a push with the enmity from the damage they were losing. It was then bumped to x3. So probably 25-30% damage increase on WM and no casting time for it. But what worries me is Yoshi-P's statement makes it sound like the overall dps numbers are fine as they are, which means he's going to take that damage increase from somewhere. At least that's the vibe I got.

[SonTensei]

I'd rather take WM with 10% buff instead of 20% and not lose mobility than be a turret.

[yamochan]

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so why in the world would u think that i can only guess ur a new bard because we had enough dmg before 3.0. bard got nerfed 3 times before 3.0 because we had the dmg.
so should we still have it with the mobility? goddamn yes we should its bards playstyle!

just a little reference:
you like a standing bard? go to wow and play a hunter but then again guess why wow lost so many players again because hunter was the same as bard.
it was a movement class AND the most played class in the game. it got changed just like bard did into a very standing heavy class. guess what happened after 6 months of arguing just the way we are doing it here? the players had enough and jumped ship.
you can belive that from a former and still raidleader. if you hear it every week how stupid your class has become and much disapointment players expirience because hunter was changed that way, you can even understand them for going away.
now let some time pass here it will be the same