Changing DRK to DPS entirely?

[Kaedan94]

The problem is, it'd always be preferable to take a WAR or a PLD.

Not true. The DRK can perform just as well as a PLD or WAR. Someone made a thread recently laying out that they do have enough CDs to handle all the tank busters. The only issue is you need to have someone who knows what they're doing. You can't just pick up a random PUG and trust they'll be able to tank it like you usually can with a PLD. As I said, if you are arguing from a min-maxing approach, it can be argued that DRK doesn't bring anything, as the PLD is safer for MT and WAR is slightly better as OT. But if you have reason to think your DRK player is competent, there's no reason not to take a DRK.


EDIT: Except for at the moment they broke MP for DRK with the new hotfix.

[Tila]

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I think you missed my point.

You brought up that when looking at min/maxing, a DRK brings nothing. Thats my point. DRK may not be bad, but its not as good as WAR or PLD. It would always be preferable to bring a WAR or PLD over a DRK.

[Kaedan94]

I think you missed my point.

You brought up that when looking at min/maxing, a DRK brings nothing. Thats my point. DRK may not be bad, but its not as good as WAR or PLD. It would always be preferable to bring a WAR or PLD over a DRK.

And you missed my point. The bolded section in your quote is not true. It is not always preferable to bring a WAR or PLD. A good DRK player can perform the tank job just as well as a WAR or PLD. They have the mitigation necessary to succeed at tanking any content, they just need to be careful of their timing.

It's only preferable to bring WAR or PLD if you aren't confident in your tank player's ability to play DRK... I.E. you want the safer route "just in case".

[FinalWolf]

And you missed my point. The bolded section in your quote is not true. It is not always preferable to bring a WAR or PLD. A good DRK player can perform the tank job just as well as a WAR or PLD. They have the mitigation necessary to succeed at tanking any content, they just need to be careful of their timing.

It's only preferable to bring WAR or PLD if you aren't confident in your tank player's ability to play DRK... I.E. you want the safer route "just in case".

Is it me or are people ignoring Delirium?

[Kaedan94]

Is it me or are people ignoring Delirium?

Delirium is irrelevant if you have a MNK in your group.

Dark Mind, on the other hand, is often ignored/dismissed in these discussions. 30% Magic mitigation shouldn't just be brushed aside.

[Avalon_Albrook]

The Dark Knight salt from some people is so real, which is a shame. For them.

[Gruntler]

The problem is, it'd always be preferable to take a WAR or a PLD.

Given how abysmally squishy the Warriors I keep finding in duty finder are in Fractal and Never, some having less hps in Defiance than a brand new Paladin, I'm going to disagree fervently.

At least until the warriors realize it isn't 2.55 any more and stop taking gearing advice from reddit threads that are half a year old.

[Lionheart401]

Can it be argued there's no reason to take a DRK at the moment in their current state if you're a min/maxer... sure. Basically the argument is you want the safest possible run regardless of how skilled the player is.

The facts are, though, that DRK can perform perfectly well even in Coil, they just have to be played by someone who knows what they are doing. It's true that they have to be careful about their CDs and know exactly when to use them and how to time them correctly to always have the right ones available. So you can't just take any pug DRK and expect them to work like you generally can with a PLD.

Great answer

[Tila]

Delirium is irrelevant if you have a MNK in your group.

Dark Mind, on the other hand, is often ignored/dismissed in these discussions. 30% Magic mitigation shouldn't just be brushed aside.

PLD and WAR bring more utility alongside their tanking. Ergo, they bring more as a tank than a DRK, so would always be preferable to a DRK currently. They all tank well. DRK however brings nothing but their tanking though. Can a DRK tank just fine? Sure, it tanks pretty well. Are there any situations where you would want a DRK over the other two? As of now. No. Unless Alexander if very strongly loaded with magic damage, which, DRK isnt that much better at. For example, while a DRK is sitting there with itis 30% magic mitigation on a minute cooldown, warrior is sitting there with inner beast which gives 20% and a always on storm path giving an additional 10% (to everyone)

[HexWeaver]

I originally was hoping DRK would be a DPS, it's main focus has always been high damage above all else.