Sooooo this warrior bs...

[SpookyGhost]

SCoB/FCoB tank busters were every 60s-ish, which gave PLD an almost optimal CD rotation (optimal would be every 90s). We don't really know what's coming in Alexander, but I imagine it'll be more of the same, and even if it's not PLD has Sheltron for a -20~30% damage reduction every 30s. We might also get a lot of forced tank swaps, like savage 9 or regular 12, so mitigation uptime would become a non-issue. Both tanks are fine for MTing, but most groups will default to PLD simply because Hallowed exists and they have a shield. Really just depends on what we're going to be up against, more fights like Ravana would favor WAR, but more fights like T13 would favor PLD. *shrug*

[PerihVashai]

And PLD have always done more damage than WAR if you had them outside of their tanking stance. Sword Oath is a stupidly powerful damage buff, if any other melee job had it their DPS would shoot through the roof. As long as the WAR kept Storm's Eye up (which they should be doing anyway), the PLD would do more damage. Fight or Flight being up often, strong OffGCD abilities, and sword oath made for some mad tank deeps

WAR on the other hand, gets enhancements to their already strong burst in both single target and aoe situations (in fact, WAR is probably still aoe king). In terms of tanking abilities, they got Raw Intuition to make up for one of WAR's weaknesses: smoothing out sustained damage. WAR are fantastic at taking burst damage because of inner beast + large HP pools + mitigation cooldowns.

Well back before eye's duration got extended it was a lot harder to keep eye, path, and block. Especially if the paladin isn't fracturing and they were just going through halone spam. But yes as long as eye didn't get sacrificed as WAR MT, PLD OT was always the optimal in terms of dps. Especially considering it makes use of both the PLD's and WAR's CDs with cover sentinel.

[rawker]

There will be instances that one is favored than the other but that doesn't mean the latter is garbage and should be removed or overhauled. With regards to PLD dps, swords have lower delays which means it attacks faster. And guess what, sword oath adds an extra potency based attack per auto attack which is huge when it adds up. PLDs are more of a sustained dps when OT. As for MT, we just need another defensive cooldown to ease the spacing between our tanking cooldowns. As for WARs, i guess they're doing fine, atm.

[Hundred]

Both PLD and WAR are in very good spots damage and tankwise and I'm very happy with the additions to both.

DRK, on the other hand...

P.s. sorry for multippst, won't let me edit posts on mobile.

Drk on the other hand has similar dealing to Pre-HW Pld, where if Big hits are on large CD's its no problem with the exception of Dark Mind having a short cooldown by previous paladin standards and having Dark Dance on a shorter cooldown for AA crap. Drk's real caveat outside of bugs is the "What else" do they do. If anything they gave up 'support' for a gap closer & aoes of questionable value.

[SenzorialBoundries]

I can't help but laugh how all the warriors in this thread go "Ohhhh FC is fine the way it is , WARRIOR has mediocre dps"

You don't see a flaw in the system as long as you benefit from it.

[Dement]

I can't help but laugh how all the warriors in this thread go "Ohhhh FC is fine the way it is , WARRIOR has mediocre dps"

You don't see a flaw in the system as long as you benefit from it.

We don't see a flaw in the system because there is no flaw in the system. One picture of a Fell Cleave doing obscene damage under absolute perfect conditions doesn't make WAR DPS OP when all the parsers show WAR, PLD and likely well played DRKs to be very similar.

[Hundred]

I can't help but laugh how all the warriors in this thread go "Ohhhh FC is fine the way it is , WARRIOR has mediocre dps"

You don't see a flaw in the system as long as you benefit from it.

What is math?
What is the reality that Drks can put out 2400 Potency through 3 Soul eaters and Warriors cannot. You want to Infuriate to get in another Fell cleave? Thats cute, I drop Salted earth, which is 525 AOE potency off the GCD on a 45s Cooldown to Infuriate Fell Cleaves 500 potency on 60s.
Butchers block combo is the highest potency War has...
150 HS, 200 SS, 280 BB = 630. DRKS soul eater combo is 800 potency (150, 250, 400). You get 2 Stacks per BB combo...

1260 vs 1600 potency for 2 rotations. Now do the rotation up to Skull sunder so we get our 5th stack, thats 1610 Potency, 8 attacks used so far. Fell Cleave is the 9th GCD attack, brings us to 2110 potency.


Drk just his DA Soul eater 3x and does 2400 potency. We infuriate Fell cleave we're at 2610 potency, they drop Salted earth and they're at 2925 potency...
Want to consider that Fracture is 300 potency and Scourge is 500 potency too?
After all these shenanigans we throw in Fracture for 2910, they Scourge and are effectively at 3425.

Whats the damage difference? Drk has 17% more Potency. Want to throw in Plunge which is also off the GCD? Want to throw in Dark Passenger on top? Hell we could throw in reprisal if the situation allows it, its off the GCD as well.

Just in this segment Drk already has 17% more potency. Note that Berserk? Deliverance? They're working to go against this potency gap between War and Drk (well Blood Weapon exists too). Tank damage difference is not large, sorry buddy.

If anything what makes War stand out more objectively and not just "I see big numbers" is Unchained while tanking, and Equilibrium replenishing TP where PLD and Drk don't have a TP refresh.

[Skypirate]

I don't get why people are complaining after war is Finally doing what it's supposed to do. Especially when PLD Gets ALL of those amazing abilities. Everyone is mad because War gets 1 shiny.

[shinros]

The propaganda machine is alive and well. Unless I'm doing something horribly wrong, there's literally no way this is possible.

Stop spreading this foolishness. If you REALLY want to prove that Warriors DPS is THAT much stronger than the other tanks, call your homies, download ACT, parse that shi* for yourself then bring the results to the forums.

Well If you read what I stated I have been "HEARING" those numbers which I think is crazy. I did NOT state that warrior HAS 10k-15k fell cleave crits, or are you afraid that you class might get a nerf? If they are preforming within SE expectations nothing will happen. All I am stating is what I "Heard" which is second hand information no need to get bent out of shape.

[Madepossible]

Nerf Warrior, Yoshida! Buff Dark Knight *drops mic*