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  1. #11
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    Seku's Avatar
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    Seku Halvone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alphras View Post
    That would be the literal solution ^^.
    It would....sightly less damage than warrior or drk. But crazy high raid utility. A new heal that can target anyone and if we heal someone else we get 50% back. All we're missing is a good aoe. Pop in holy, problem fixed and solved. Just gotta find a good way to keep up mp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorless View Post
    They were in the 3 FFT games.
    In FFXIV paladins are just elite guards of the Sultana if I'm remembering right.
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  3. #13
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    Marik Landzaat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alphras View Post
    White Magic has nothing to do with "holyness" (else the PLD in FF14 would be "holy" too). That is just your interpretation. Like Khaoticsuccubus said, Paladin is just a Knight.
    Ignore the white magic if you want then, it doesn't change the fact that your statement "The PLD in Final Fantasy was never really holy." is just wrong. There are incarnations of the job in the Final Fantasy series that are indeed associated with being Holy; you just just choose to ignore the other examples for reasons.

    I'm not here to defend the OP's claim of 14's PLD not being Holy enough, but rather if you want to make a statement, at least know what you are talking about.
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  4. #14
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    The fact it's called "knight" in Japanese doesn't really matter. They purposefully chose to call it Paladin in English, so they are obviously making allusions to Paladins in their other games (which also happen to be called "knights"... sometimes with a qualifier).

    That being said, there are plenty of "holy" aspects to the Paladin. They can use White magic for one. Hallowed Ground is an obvious holy reference. Flash, Circle, Spirits Within... even Rage of Halone has a god's name in it. As for new skills, they have Divine Veil and Clemency.
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    Kelvena Visralia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seku View Post
    Give PLD holy...
    Yes please. Granted probably get one a few casts off it and for pitiful damage but that utility... awesome.
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    And then it gets interrupted.
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    I love clemency even though i am mad for the cast time.
    Because what Is this skill supposed to do? My guess would be emergency heal on party member. But where Is the emergency when you need 3 seconds to cast it and might BE interrupted

    I dont know considéring the mp Cost it should be instant or like esuna/leech (ie 1 second cast time)
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  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavensSword View Post
    Ignore the white magic if you want then, it doesn't change the fact that your statement "The PLD in Final Fantasy was never really holy." is just wrong. There are incarnations of the job in the Final Fantasy series that are indeed associated with being Holy; you just just choose to ignore the other examples for reasons.

    I'm not here to defend the OP's claim of 14's PLD not being Holy enough, but rather if you want to make a statement, at least know what you are talking about.
    So which other statements? About every Final Fantasy has some kind "holy" weapon that can be equipped by some character (is the Dragoon holy because he can equip a holy lance in some games?), some even have it as a simple elemental status iirc. I doubt that is what the OP wants when he asks about the PLD being more holy.

    I don't know about the FF:T spinoffs, never really played one, but from a quick read it seems to be the same there.

    If you want some kind of holy knight that throws around holy light and is really close with his deity, that is just not the Final Fantasy depiction of a Paladin.

    Edit:
    This is what a Paladin is in this game:
    For centuries, the elite of the Sultansworn have served as personal bodyguards to the royal family of Ul'dah. Known as paladins, these men and women marry exquisite swordplay with stalwart shieldwork to create a style of combat uncompromising in its defense. Clad in brilliant silver armor, they charge fearlessly into battle, ever ready to lay down their lives for their liege.
    To be a paladin is to protect, and those who choose to walk this path will become the iron foundation upon which the party's defense is built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavensSword View Post
    I'm not here to defend the OP's claim of 14's PLD not being Holy enough, but rather if you want to make a statement, at least know what you are talking about.
    I am sorry, I almost missed the insult. I played about every Final Fantasy from the main series up to 12. Most of them when they were new. I think I am qualified to make that statement.
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    Last edited by Alphras; 06-30-2015 at 05:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VisRalis View Post
    Yes please. Granted probably get one a few casts off it and for pitiful damage but that utility... awesome.
    Or SE can just make PLD it's favorite child of the 3 tanks and give it a Holy that's based off strength or is it attack?.....like they did with the new heal spell. =Q
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alphras View Post
    I played about every Final Fantasy from the main series up to 12. Most of them when they were new. I think I am qualified to make that statement.
    Problem is, you're still wrong when you say that PLD "was never really holy".
    Lorewise, the first real PLD (Cecil) is definitely holy and White Magic is frequently tied to holy (Hence the white magic spell by the same name). In fact, when Kain does the same trial as Cecil, his job become a Holy Dragoon.

    Rest assured, if someone said that PLD has "always" been holy, they'd be wrong too.

    "never" and "always" do not suffer exceptions.

    As for XIV, lorewise, we have nothing holy. In fact, the templars are more "holy" than us.
    Quote Originally Posted by Seku View Post
    Or SE can just make PLD it's favorite child of the 3 tanks and give it a Holy that's based off strength or is it attack?.....like they did with the new heal spell. =Q
    Actually, PLD should have the highest raw potential but (Before all the WAR/DRK lovers flame me) should need to spread its stats

    He should need Strength to do damage and reduce damage
    Dex to significantly increase its block rate (With a real impact)
    Mind to increase the effectiveness of its spell

    Thus, to be a full PLD, you'd have to sacrifice your full potential, which make you do less damage than other tank with the lack of strength, have less HP with the lack of Vit, etc...
    For me, it also would have been fine for PLD to take a little more damage than WAR (compared to their HP pool) but to be able to Cure themselves far more.

    I think PLD in v1 was closer to this concept and was a little more interesting. Well, it seems we're coming back to it with the new skills
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 06-30-2015 at 06:21 PM.

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