Bard is utterly destroyed

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Let\\\\\\'s not forget that Barrage is gone completely destroying the dps burst the class had, I mean you can\\\\\\'t even auto attack with Wanderer\\\\\\'s active so I don\\\\\\'t even see why this was left in the skill tree. Bloodletter is shared with Rain of a Death for whatever reason I can\\\\\\'t even think of highly hurting the aoe of the class, no longer can we have the option to use Wide Volley in order to make Rain of Death free which also could have made Quick Nock free. Honestly they might as well taken out Wide Volley since it cost more then Quick Nock that there is no reason to use it anymore. The only good things I\\\\\\'ve acquired so far is Iron Jaws and Empyreal Arrow, Warden\\\\\\'s Paeon is pointless when Healers already have the option to remove status effects.

What was the point of hurting this class so bad? If it\\\\\\'s not fixed then no one will play it and this class will be dead before the next expansion.

Uhm... I differ in many things here... I don't know if you checked in your bard, but. Barrage is no longer a triple-auto attack skill, but rather a triple-weaponskill one. If you do for example a straight shot dduring barrage it will make 3 straight shots... Actually it fits awesome with Minuet. Iron Jaws and Empyreal arrow are awesome... And Warden paeon is very very important and strategic. Think about it, what if in a certain boss all party will get slept or paralisis? You can cast this in the healer, so the healer will be able to freely esuna the rest.

Example: Rank A Kurrea, some of the people hitting it are nubz and don't know they have to silence, you casted warden's paeon in your healer, everyone gets sleep except healer who now can esuna all the party, congratulations, you're now the unique party hitting the A rank.

Iron jaws basically reset your poisons, so, instead of needing to use two skills for poisons, you just use one well timed and notice the miracles. Of course bad bards will perhaps miss the timings and fail to reset poisons with this...

Bard also got a new AoE buff, when other classes lost their AoE buffs such as a BLM and WHM using holy-flare, Bard can now freely execute rain of death, and not only that! If you place poisons with internal release and straight shot in a few monsters, you'll really, REALLY, spam free-TP aoes on your enemies...

Come on, nerf, really?.

A reflexion: All skills are made for something and have some meaning, you just need to analyze and think about it two minutes for realizing it... Well, all skills except Careful Synthesis I.

[Sessurea]

Come on, nerf, really?.

A reflexion: All skills are made for something and have some meaning, you just need to analyze and think about it two minutes for realizing it... Well, all skills except Careful Synthesis I.

The problem is that it doesn't pay you to use WM outside of the opener. Unless some exaggerated downtime where barrage/he/rs all happen to be off cd, then it would be worth bringing up wm for that barrage alone. This mostly only happens in more casual content like extremes etc.

The barrage nerf was quite hard btw. Barrage was what would spike up bards damage a little outside the opener but now dps is on a long slow plummet afterwards. Empyreal arrow barrage is awesome but the 3 second cast to get back into wm makes it worthless and clunky.

I feel making wm insta cast is exactly just what bards need right now.

[Kayko]

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Wait what? Lets see here, I don't know if you play BRD here but Barrage only affects certain skills, can not crit (in fact it removes the crit from straighter shot if used) and is used up on first hit.

WP, your example doesn't work. By the time you see something would not be silenced, it is far too late. Also, if I am with my normal group that I intend to raid with, that gets silenced without question. You're implying that playing with a competent group makes that ability basically a waste? The development team wasted there time with it since I don't have any reason to actually use it for gain.

Yes, IJ does reset DoTs after they appear to have fallen off. Key word appear. They didn't fall off, its the stupid game that is not set up to count damage client side and has to do everything at a server tick rate. This is the reason that sometimes the debuffs start at 17s instead of 18. This has nothing to do with timing it right, it is shear luck on what side of the server tick it counts.

What AoE buff? You mean RNG? RoD reset is based on a DoT crit, there is no buff here. You have to have RNG on your side. It is still usually more valuable to use QN instead. On top of that, AoE is for trash pulls, and who cares about trash pulls.

[Scyris]

Losing auto attack is also a big part of it, a bards auto attack does 20-25% of their total dps on average, WM would be fine if they just enabled auto attack during it, it'd be enough to bring bard inline with the other dps.

[Athism]

Losing auto attack is also a big part of it, a bards auto attack does 20-25% of their total dps on average, WM would be fine if they just enabled auto attack during it, it'd be enough to bring bard inline with the other dps.

I agree, but idk if auto attacks is enough to make up 700-800 dps. i179 nins are doing 1700 dps, i179 brd only 800ish..its just not enough.

[Panasync]

Bard is destroyed, we are now Black Mage-lite, in terms of playstyle and damage.

[yamochan]

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indeed we are but hopefully not for a very long time considering how much hate SE is getting for this bard change right now and not just from us all forums are full with it japanese the most

[Ooshima]

indeed we are but hopefully not for a very long time considering how much hate SE is getting for this bard change right now and not just from us all forums are full with it japanese the most

Historically speaking, BRDs only get fixed, all the time since 2.0. LOL. I don't have much hopes on it.

Probably leaning towards MCH right now.