Forcing us to the entire story quest to unlock the new classes is just bad business

[MilesSaintboroguh]

What puzzles me is why everyone wants the new jobs not gated. It's not the "I want to be able to get it without paying for an expansion" that bugs me, it's the part where people want it and yet there's nothing new to use the new jobs on. Are there really people who are content to just clearing all of 2.0 and stopping?

[Exotik_Legacy]

JUST LET THE CLASSES NOT BE LOCKED, Man why start at level 30 if i have to plow through 1-50, complete this month long msq grind on top of work being a father etc, just to get a lvl 30 class thrown in my face, yeah thanks for all that effort for a lvl 30, could have at least made them lvl 50 so we can play them through heavenward if they really are"tied to the story and all that" instead of oh, lets go to ishgard, heres 3 new classes, go back to your filthy ffxiv arr world until you are level 50 again so you can come here and then we treat you like crap to gain a new line of reputation with us mister warrior of light

[Tuathaa]

I see. So we should have to get to 60 (Max level now) instead before we are able to play the new Jobs instead of "finishing" (loose use of the word) the story at 50. Got it. Dat phrasing.

Thanks for catching the typo I corrected it to say level 50 for you and you are responsible for this bump

[nuyu11]

How about we request SE make all class and job lvl 60 without lvling....
Just by login then Tadaaa lvl 60, I think that's a good business for a lazy person or skipper.

[Madruck]

Why do people still have a issue with this? Because they want to play Dark Knight with no skills or abilities you need from the other 2 tank jobs? I mean seriously.....what is the issue with this? This isnt WoW where you can just go to some chinese gold seller, buy a account who has a minimum level then play Death Knight which happened in WOTLK! Do people seriously have a issue about earning things anymore except wanting everything handed to you? It will take you 3 days...not 3 weeks, not 3 months.....3 days to get into Ishgard! If you want to play the new job.....then level a class that any of the new jobs need for cross class skills to 50, do your MSQ and continue from there....its really not that hard to do. A person in my FC started less that a month ago and already they have there main to 60, have there Item Level to 160 or around there and are almost ready to raid.....its not that hard, so please stop complaining for having to put in work or feel free to go back into WoW and pay your 60 dollars for a premade toon that you absolutely have no idea how to play to make all other players you run with have a miserable time because you wanted the easy and lazy way!

[Gunspec]

Everybody wants to hurry up and join the "my class needs buffs" arguments going around. It's SO 2013 to complain about the pre-existing classes.

[Noxifer]

I was going to make a sarcastically complaint about how it's not fair that they've gated Final Coil of Bahamut behind First and Second coils. But I decided not to.

Instead I apologize for the Wall of Text.

TSo if say little Billy who is new decided to lv grind to 50, did all his quests as a White Mage and suddenly wanted to pick up Dark Knight. Would Billy know the basics of how to play a Tank despite grinding through MSQ and it's filler contents throughout as a White Mage? He might have picked up few things here and there but in all honesty no I highly doubt Billy would be a competent Tank compared to those of us who simply started out with a tanking role from Lv1.

Well, actually... Your example isn't exactly the best ^^; Since Billy would be very well aware of the tanking job from the healer's perspective. Like what happens if the tank focuses on just one enemy and doesn't grab (and work on holding) aggro on all enemies in the group. Or what happens when heavy hits come flying from bosses and the tank doesn't use cooldowns. Or what happens when the tank doesn't position the mobs well and cause AoEs to threaten damage dealers and healers. He'd know the consequences of doing a bad job. Many people who "started out with a tanking role from Lv1" never seem to learn those things. I've seen level 50 tanks who pull with Provoke and seem to think that's enough to hold aggro for more than a second. (Pet peeve, sorry... It's one thing to use it cos it has greater range, to draw groups or wandering mobs away from each other, but... heck, face pulling is pretty much equally effective in some of those cases.)

Healers get to see a lot of the bad tanks out there, enough to make any good player go, "By the Twelve, I can do a much better job than that!" instead of, "Haha! Now it's time for me to do the same to the healers!"

This was an example of GOOD Gated content. It was all gated, but it was all gated behind content you could do at the relevant level, just like how it would be fine to gate Mechanist, Dark Knight, and Astrologian - but it should be gated behind level 30 content.

On that part, I agree. That's how I initially thought they would do it, you know, especially since Yoshida's (maybe misinformed) comment about picking up the new job and do the main story as the new job. That they'd be located somewhere in Coerthas Central Highlands -- that's where the astrologians have that tower, after all. The machinist could have been located in some other 30+ area (whether Thanalan due to technology being a costly business and Uldah is all about money, or La Noscea because musketeer). I would have liked to see dark knight somewhere in Shroud, actually. There's the whole deal with Odin there, after all, being pretty dark, and there's lots of old and corrupted ruins that might have drawn in the job trainer for some reason. Plus it would have meant all three of the starter nations would have had a tank job located in it.
But they could equally well have put all three in Coerthas Central. Maybe have them locked behind needing to get to a certain point in the Coerthas MSQ arc, so they could go, "Oh, yeah, you helped out this friend of mine. Sure, I'll teach you my job."

The rest of the gating I'm fine with. It's just the jobs I'm a bit meh about, wishing they'd done it differently but not bothered enough to actually complain about it.

The new jobs break a lot of rules already. They have no associated class. You can't remove their soul crystal. They do not have Hunting Logs. There's no reason they can't break OTHER rules, like gaining their soulstone and becoming unlockable at level 10, like Rogue, or even level 1.

Well, none of the other jobs have Hunt Logs either. The classes do, not the jobs :p So it would be more "rule-breaking" to suddenly have job Hunt Logs than to simply skip the logs.

And I see you've already posted my "it would have been nice to have the new jobs in Coerthas" idea :p

[Exotik_Legacy]

It will take you 3 days...not 3 weeks, not 3 months.....3 days to get into Ishgard!

Yeah 3 days if i wanted to zombie mode this game with no sleep….. if someone just started this game 1-50 is a week minimum, including/not including the MSQ depends on how they primarily leveled, then from 2.1-2.55 is 99 quests, that right their is about 10-15 hours of work on top of it(Playing the game straight through), now if people wanted to take their time playing the new class and doing MSQ because they would enjoy it better rather than zombying the MSQ just to play the new class with 0 story until heavenward, ehh I think the play new classes while doing MSQ would be better, to me its a turnoff having to do 2 weeks of work to make the new class I PURCHASED with this Xpac

[Raist]

You didn't purchase those jobs. You purchased new content that is an extension of the then current main story arc. That content includes the jobs amongst other content and benefits.

In order to access the new areas (and by extension access to the NPC's there that unlock the jobs that are part of that new content), you must advance the story to the point that one of the leading noble houses of an isolationist nation that severed their allegiance to the three city states a long time ago opens it's doors and takes you in to provide you sanctuary after getting booted out of your home nation and become a refugee yourself. This ultimately happens because of a series of quests where you aid them in resolving some major problems and ultimately save them from being overrun by dragons.

Also...if I remember right, you can't XP past level 50 either without registering the expansion.

[MageBlack]

Every time I see this post I want to say "Your face is bad for buisness!"