MCH... I'm done.

[Clarkamite]

Imagine if Bards had this RNG thing, imagine if Dragoons or Ninjas had it.

Just for arguments sake, classes with a good portion of how other classes can play having RNG aspects built in:

Bloodletter CD resetting due to the RNG of your dots crit'ing. 2.0 BLM numbers change wildly depending on RNG Crit and RNG Firestarter/Thundercloud Procs, WHM MP can be saved immensely by RNG free procs to cure 2 and cure 3, 2.0 PLD Bulwark…

It was common to go several rotations and never see a Firestarter at 40%. You might not think so but those free fire 3's really do change how high your numbers would go.

SE will find a way to max the class play well. Let's wait until the raid opens up and then we'll really have a good benchmark to use to gauge our classes. Comparing dummy DPS numbers doesn't really mean a whole lot and I've never felt that Extreme Primals were necessarily that great either. Just ask monks from the days when Titan was the endgame.

[Ephemiel]

Just for arguments sake, classes with a good portion of how other classes can play having RNG aspects built in:

Bloodletter CD resetting due to the RNG of your dots crit'ing. 2.0 BLM numbers change wildly depending on RNG Crit and RNG Firestarter/Thundercloud Procs, WHM MP can be saved immensely by RNG free procs to cure 2 and cure 3, 2.0 PLD Bulwark…

It was common to go several rotations and never see a Firestarter at 40%. You might not think so but those free fire 3's really do change how high your numbers would go.

Alright, now weaken those class's damage or, in the WHM's case, heals to the point where people actually say that the healers do more damage [for WHM, idk, imagine stuff like Bloodbath healing more than WHM for the sake of this argument].

I don't mind that it has RNG necessarily, i dislike that that fact i'm forced to stay there using the same ability over and over in the hopes it decides to proc.

[Wishles]

Not mine, so cut out the names.
http://i18.servimg.com/u/f18/14/22/88/02/mch_pa10.jpg

That AST is out of party

I'm guessing this parse is inflated due to heartbreak procs using Mist dummies.

[Nyme]

Well this thread took on a life of its own, wasn't really expecting 4 pages of answers.

Just to clarify, i really do like the class, i don't mind the fact that i have to stand there spamming my Split Shot just hoping for a proc after i have used everything on Wildfire and waiting for my off-gcd/cd abilities to come online, it wouldn't be a problem if only the procs were worth it and actually felt satisfying, but as it stands, the proc's that i do get feel like a filler move that doesnt accomplish anything to use while waiting for my 30/60/90sec cooldowns to be ready.

I do like the class abilities(Most of them... Rend Mind and Dismantle sharing a 90sec cooldown makes me cringe...), and that i have to pay attention to the skills and turret placements, but for the moment, the amount of work i have to put in isnt worth it comparing it to the numbers that i parse.

[SasakiNori]

Yeah, I noticed that after posting, and corrected my post to reflect my mistake. 1k still isn't very impressive to be honest though.

Keep in mind that Wildfire isn't tracked in the main parse of ACT.

[Odowla]

Keep in mind that Wildfire isn't tracked in the main parse of ACT.

Gets picked up just fine for me.

[SasakiNori]

Gets picked up just fine for me.

Not for me. It shows up fine under incomming damage on the dummy, but it's not included in my outgoing damage and dps.