The argument"MCH/Bard have utility so their damage should be lower"

[Panasync]

I think this is a huge issue with how closely they're clinging to the trinity. Coming from FFXI, I wanted to main another support class (played bard main after switching from ranger for a long time). Well I kinda got best of both worlds, but I would never consider Bard a support in XIV. Yes they have support-ish abilities, but all the jobs do in some form or another, however Bard is the only class that gets a % debuff when in use, special to bard and now machinist I'm assuming by losing dps on their turret. The fact that people even refer to the jobs as supports baffles me, does anyone see a support role in the DF? I don't, and I certainly don't see any support jobs.

You know BRD/MCH are support DPS, right? They do decent DPS but not as much as a straight-up DPS because they are able to raise the entire party's DPS through their support abilities.

You mean like DRG's piercing debuff, Ninja's 10% damage taken debuff throughout the fight? All DPS have supportish abilities. Ninja TP refresh and now hate management. Should they have punishments and be looked at as support DPS? Where are you drawing the line between support and just straight DPS?

[Tribunus]

Where are you drawing the line between support and just straight DPS?

I think the difference is most people consider those with "noticeable" party wide buffs as support, although Trick Attack, Mantra and Litany could fall under the same scope. Im not against BRD/MCH receiving buffs, however its got to done carefully otherwise we return to 2.0 where BRD was king and only one melee was brought along for the limit break.