Your thoughts on Astrolgian so far?

[Houston009]

Reading through the thread makes me believe a lot of people are posting before they've even hit 60. The issues begin once you're there (Actually more around The Vault sort of level area but mostly 60). Please if you're posting saying the class is fine you really need to actually try the EX primals or expert dungeons without being ridiculously overgeared for them because once you've done that the weaknesses of the class are so evidently clear. If you are on equal gear levels as the content it is extremely hard to keep tanks up whilst conserving mana unlike with the other two classes.

The AST i was running with to level my MNK had 0 issues with healing the vault. Could do big pulls and bosses easily whilst still having mana left over.

Newbie AST i ran with today in my expert in i145 did the pulls just fine aswell.

[Lilita]

I never said that in absolute terms.

I dont see how astro is better at healbombing that sch - 6 stacks of aetherflow and i can use lustrate or group lustrate... idk .. and in 1 second clutch moment hitting Lightspeed and "healbomb" isnt really viable. Essential dignity is only one spell on 40 sec cd, that i can use for clutch, since Aspected Benefic puts me on global cooldown. So in my opinion, whm has higher potency, sch is better at shielding (sacred soil, eos, and no collective unconscious is not comparable) and giving out controlled buffs. Astro is better at... if there was just one thing he was better at than those healers, so you could argue taking astro instead of whm or sch. And everyone is saying, oh its a support healer...uhm ok when i go progress do i want 2 solid healers, or one solid one and one support? oO ofc first version will get me further faster, allowing my group to make more mistakes.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I dont see how astro is better at healbombing that sch - 6 stacks of aetherflow and i can use lustrate or group lustrate... idk .. and in 1 second clutch moment hitting Lightspeed and "healbomb" isnt really viable. Essential dignity is only one spell on 40 sec cd, that i can use for clutch, since Aspected Benefic puts me on global cooldown. So in my opinion, whm has higher potency, sch is better at shielding (sacred soil, eos, and no collective unconscious is not comparable) and giving out controlled buffs. Astro is better at... if there was just one thing he was better at than those healers, so you could argue taking astro instead of whm or sch. And everyone is saying, oh its a support healer...uhm ok when i go progress do i want 2 solid healers, or one solid one and one support? oO ofc first version will get me further faster, allowing my group to make more mistakes.

To be honest I am getting quite tired by people who cannot argue objectively.

You mention SCH having 6 stacks of Aetherflow that can be used for Lustrate or Group Lustrate (? - I guess you mean Indomitability, which heals less than Lustrate and is on 60sec CD so it is in no way spammable). FYI, 6 stacks of Aetherflow only happen at the start of the battle. You will NEVER have 6 stacks to use for healing during an encounter, because any remotely decent SCH will not sit on an unused Aetherflow CD - better to pop CS and go Energy Drain, if you have no other uses for those charges.
You also mention SCH having Sacred Soil (which still costs Aetherflow, so that's one less Lustrate or Indomitability).
You also mention Eos AND "controlled buffs" by which I guess you mean Selene's "amazing" 3% haste - but you forget to mention that it's either Eos OR Selene, or the fact that they still have rather long CDs.

Also, I would like to remind you that neither Lustrate or Indomitability are buffed by Fey Illumination OR Dissipation, as of now.

So please, don't act like SCH is the God of healing, because it is not.

[Lilita]

To be honest I am getting quite tired by people who cannot argue objectively.

I am only saying and comparing to sch, since thats the decision i have to make... will i heal on astro or sch (other healer in our raid group is whm). I am only trying to understand your point, and really try to learn to do better with astro, waiting for someone to discover something I wasnt able to and say "heres a nice trick, it helps you heal better"... so it wont be so stressful and at the end of the fight i will feel like i contributed. As I said, it's fun to play, but I feel weak and i don't like it. I checked lodestone and saw you have your astro at level 30...

[LycorisSelunis]

Something recent I found out that is bugging me- two diurnal ast cannot stack their hots. A whm/diurnal can stack, 2 whm can stack, but 2 diurnal cannot :/ Seems arbitrary.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I checked lodestone and saw you have your astro at level 30...

Indeed I do. Fortunately I live (and heal raids) with my girlfriend who is AST, so I know all of its skills and how it works. I would not presume to speak about it if I had no clue.
As said, my opinion might change in the future once Alexander Savage happens - as of now it seems viable to me. Harder to play as? Possibly - but easier does not mean more powerful.

I am sure there are still things to learn about AST, and ways to optimize its skills will be discovered. If not, SE will revisit it - there is no reason why they should not.

In short, if you like AST, stick with it. That's my suggestion.

[Krixus]

To be honest I am getting quite tired by people who cannot argue objectively.

You mention SCH having 6 stacks of Aetherflow that can be used for Lustrate or Group Lustrate (? - I guess you mean Indomitability, which heals less than Lustrate and is on 60sec CD so it is in no way spammable). FYI, 6 stacks of Aetherflow only happen at the start of the battle. You will NEVER have 6 stacks to use for healing during an encounter, because any remotely decent SCH will not sit on an unused Aetherflow CD - better to pop CS and go Energy Drain, if you have no other uses for those charges.
You also mention SCH having Sacred Soil (which still costs Aetherflow, so that's one less Lustrate or Indomitability).
You also mention Eos AND "controlled buffs" by which I guess you mean Selene's "amazing" 3% haste - but you forget to mention that it's either Eos OR Selene, or the
fact that they still have rather long CDs.

Also, I would like to remind you that neither Lustrate or Indomitability are buffed by Fey Illumination OR Dissipation, as of now.

So please, don't act like SCH is the God of healing, because it is not.

TY!! Sch's keep going on like they full time selene on every single fight, are able to have the attack speed on at all times, 6 lustrates on demand while also using sacred soil for every big hit simultaniously! And dps like a king on top of the rest. You are just grouping all of sch's skills and acting like they are available on the drop of a dime. I watched a sch wipe three times healing the last boss on the vault and thought of all the lovely people hating on astro's. Like ive said before astro and sch are higher skill cap jobs. I havnt needed extra emergency cures, cause I dont let it become an emergency. Players need to practice their job thoroughly before posting here about what needs to be changed.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Something recent I found out that is bugging me- two diurnal ast cannot stack their hots. A whm/diurnal can stack, 2 whm can stack, but 2 diurnal cannot :/ Seems arbitrary.

Also their Nocturnal Shields overwrite SCH's shields even when they are weaker.

AST is currently plagued by a few bugs. They will get fixed. Not sure if this HoT stacking is a bug or a feature, tho.

[Lilita]

It could be that diurnal astro and sch work better together than Nocturnal astro and whm... I could actually see that work. If you time your buffs together nicely, offensive or defensive sounds kinda amazing. I was sch main before, maybe thats why i think its so much easier cause i am so used to it. I will certainly not give up on it, but since im leveling healers up first anyway, sch will be next one, just in case.

[LycorisSelunis]

. I havnt needed extra emergency cures, cause I dont let it become an emergency. .

You cannot POSSIBLY claim this forever. You cannot control other people screwing up-they might make an emergency regardless of what you are doing to prevent it.

That being said I do agree-sch may have a lot of tricks but they can't use them all the time.