The argument"MCH/Bard have utility so their damage should be lower"

[Nexxa]

Yeah other classes get utility but it pales in comparison to what BRD and MCH bring to the table. Just my two cents, though. A single target debuff and a limited useful buff here and there doesn't really hold a candle to teamwide, tide turning effects like mana and TP regen. If they were willing to bring the utility of other classes up to snuff with BRD and MCH I would be in agreement with you.

[SovereignAegis]

Yeah other classes get utility but it pales in comparison to what BRD and MCH bring to the table. Just my two cents, though. A single target debuff and a limited useful buff here and there doesn't really hold a candle to teamwide, tide turning effects like mana and TP regen. If they were willing to bring the utility of other classes up to snuff with BRD and MCH I would be in agreement with you.

That however is ignoring the fact that MCH and Bard already have costs (steep STEEP costs, the losses they suffer are not trivial) attached to the skills.

There is no need to add insult to injury which is what the current outright state of their dps is in at present.

Like yes I agree those effects are great, but they come at a cost that is built into the skills. We need not add MORE costs even when they are not being used- which is what we face at present. There is a constant cost bogging both classes down ONTOP of the cost of using the skills.

The minor utility that barely gets used in most instances.. does not really justify the massive nerfs. Honestly I think this is just a case of SE not doing proper testing/understanding their classes. Likely none of the devs actually play bard or MCH.

I'm not going to pretend MP/TP regain is small, but I agree with you. The costs are already built into the skills, there is no need to gut them overall ontop of the built-in cost.

The songs surely are not useful even 90% of the time (hunts, exploration, trash mobs in raids, dungeoning even mana song may be used 2-3 times if ever with a confident healer). But in the 10% they are used it comes at a staggering cost to DPS.

There is no need to punish them so excessively ontop of their built in punishment to use the skills. Keeping the skills active is extremely costly. Loss of that much DPS adds up FAST.