No more Accuracy on Healer's equipment

[Nadirah]

I'm not sure about you but I've come across the situation where being unable to heal for crap while waiting on the CD of cleric stance has happened a grand total of twice, and dotting stuff without it is a waste of MP.

I don't like not being able to heal because some moron decided I'm not doing my job because three spells out of how many aren't getting used.

As I've mentioned, this isn't my first rodeo, and just because they gave you spells that do damage doesn't mean they should be used every single fight.

I'd rather they actually make the damage unpredictable and more challenging while actually casting heal spells rather than predictable damage that causes you to be so bored you feel that if you aren't doing damage you're bad.

Make mana conservation by *not* casting worth it.

[DreamWeaver]

You might be onto something here, yet on the same token I am concerned on how much this will hurt a BRD's DPS since it is their primary job to DPS. Would the gains be worth it, or would it be similar to bolstering tank DPS at the expense of healer DPS?

I highly doubt it'll be that severe, RoD is now an oGCD skill that cost no TP, basically the only thing bards are losing is just 50 potency every 20 seconds, with the trade off being WHMs being able to DPS better.

WHM's DPS capabilities are no joke in 3.0, I've been able to output a healthy 450+ DPS in the 1st few phases of Ravana EX, granted this is also due to certain mechanics where Ravana takes extra damage for a limited amount of time.

[Odd]

In HL roulette, with my i165 gear synced, I now miss a lot of my dps attacks. I never missed in i130 gear. This needs to be fixed ASAP.

[ckc22]

I'm not sure about you but I've come across the situation where being unable to heal for crap while waiting on the CD of cleric stance has happened a grand total of twice, and dotting stuff without it is a waste of MP.

I don't like not being able to heal because some moron decided I'm not doing my job because three spells out of how many aren't getting used.

As I've mentioned, this isn't my first rodeo, and just because they gave you spells that do damage doesn't mean they should be used every single fight.

I'd rather they actually make the damage unpredictable and more challenging while actually casting heal spells rather than predictable damage that causes you to be so bored you feel that if you aren't doing damage you're bad.

Make mana conservation by *not* casting worth it.

All I hear from you are johns. If you want to sit and heal and do nothing else go play XI - you get to quite literally sit on your butt while not healing.

[SDaemon]

All I hear from you are johns. If you want to sit and heal and do nothing else go play XI - you get to quite literally sit on your butt while not healing.

Or they could play the way they want....

[Sidra]

If you're solo sure - but if I am in a dungeon with you, and instead of adding dps when you don't need to heal you are twiddling your thumbs - now you're wasting my time and I don't appreciate it.

If someone is newish or learning to get comfortable with stance dancing that's one thing. But just flat out refusing because they don't want to - that's very selfish, short-sighted, and leads to very sub-optimal group play.

[ckc22]

Or they could play the way they want....

You're always welcome to play the way you want (badly) on your own time without bringing your group down.

[SDaemon]

You're always welcome to play the way you want (badly) on your own time without bringing your group down.

Funny how there are different people with different play styles, if you ever group up with her in DF and the rest of your group feels the way you do, there is a kick option. No-one here is asking you to play with her. Also not really "bringing the group down" as you put it. Group content isn't designed with healer dps factored in, any dps you get from your healer is a boon, but not having it simply keeps things at the baseline.

that's very selfish, short-sighted

Demanding others acquisition to your play-style choice in order to benefit your time isn't exactly altruistic either. If the rest of your group doesn't have an issue with it you'll just have to deal or leave. If they feel the same, by all means kick the player in question.

[Sidra]

So if someone wants to intentionally be bad so be it, but we shouldn't be encouraging it or saying it's ok for people to play the way they want. Should a SMN not use Virus and E4E because they are a dps? Of course not, they should be using their whole kit to help the group succeed in as efficient a manner as possible. No difference here. I can't imagine a Ninja saying they won't use goad because they are a dps not support. But for some reason there is this small group of healers that just refuse to try and dps when the situation would very much allow for it. Can't stop anyone from doing what they are gonna do - but we can tell them it makes them bad at their job. Well, maybe bad is not the right word - if the group is alive I don't know I'd call the healer bad - perhaps a more accurate way to describe it would be they simply aren't excelling at their job.

It's not my play style choice - I didn't give SCH Cleric Stance, Bane, 5 dots and a 170 potency nuke - SE did. WHM and AST also have tons of great dps tools. Play style is preferring to build for determination and spell speed versus crit, or how you go about using your Lustrate stacks. Choosing not to play your job optimally is just that - intentionally not excelliing at your job. It's frustrating because often it's skill that holds someone back - but that's not really their fault so it's hard to be mad at em. But someone making the conscious decision to not be great at their job - that's frustrating.

[SDaemon]

It's not my play style choice - I didn't give SCH Cleric Stance, Bane, 5 dots and a 170 potency nuke - SE did. WHM and AST also have tons of great dps tools. Play style is preferring to build for determination and spell speed versus crit, or how you go about using your Lustrate stacks. Choosing not to play your job optimally is just that - intentionally not excelliing at your job. It's frustrating because often it's skill that holds someone back - but that's not really their fault so it's hard to be mad at em. But someone making the conscious decision to not be great at their job - that's frustrating.

Except it is a play-style choice to dps as a healer in group content. That isn't your role and the content isn't designed for you to do so.

You might find it frustrating, and yet others don't. Group with like-minded people and you'll have less stress.