o.O Overkill on the crafting Dumb down?

[Holland]

Wow. Really nice information Bay, thanks a lot!.

Well, it seems the crafting system will retain its difficulty level and depth with more recipes for high level and after the Materia system is in place things will go crazy!.

I am pleased with the change to NQ and HQ instead of the four versions of the same gear. After a while there wont be a need to add the HQ search for items to be so detailed =p instead of looking for +1 +2 +3 now just search for HQ's =p.

It seems the NQ versions will be really good and at the end if you work really hard youll be able to wear the HQ version of it.

There are a lot of uncertain things still, but is to be expected since we dont have all the details on how crafting and the economy will evolve at long term. After reading that I am certain whoever has planned the crafting overhaul is definitely doing a good job, not only seeing short term but also long term effects with all new recipes for high level gear, parts, materials etc. Cant wait to see more =D

[darkstarpoet1]

Well, it seems the crafting system will retain its difficulty level and depth with more recipes for high level and after the Materia system is in place things will go crazy!.

i'm sorry i read the post by bay with the translation and it does nothing of the sort. yay i can farm items and hasty hand hq items 100% of the time. that is nowhere near the difficulty. the change of the nq/hq system is the most ignorant thing i have seen in the game next to the nerfing of the nm's months before any changes were done to the battle system. we are now entering the age of hello kittyxiv.

[Holland]

i'm sorry i read the post by bay with the translation and it does nothing of the sort. yay i can farm items and hasty hand hq items 100% of the time. that is nowhere near the difficulty. the change of the nq/hq system is the most ignorant thing i have seen in the game next to the nerfing of the nm's months before any changes were done to the battle system. we are now entering the age of hello kittyxiv.

Well, if you read the post, it says that obtaining the HQ mats will be really hard, meaning that crafting those parts HQ might be very challenging. In what way? I have no idea.

Now, every change will not please everyone, they are going by their professional knowledge that this will work. See the finished system first, try it, then provide feedback.

I hope you are not trying to say you or anyone else here knows better?

[TheVedis]

If you read the post again it specifically states that even with all HQ mats it will still be hard to HQ the item, how they plan to make this "Hard" I have no idea, but it does say that.

actualy, it says hq mats will be hard to get, not that itl be hard to hq it with all hq mats

[NoctisUmbra]

All the changes I read sound quite good to me. Most of the complaints I see stem from either a sense of fear for what is not yet known, or fear of change. Crafting as a whole is going through a major change - that much is known. A lot is going to change for the better, but something like that isn't going to be achieved with baby steps or by worrying about keeping current stability.

The in-game economy atm is a joke anyway. It won't take much time before it settles in again. One thing Yoshi should have mentioned is how current gear will transition over to the new NQ/HQ system. My prediction is:

(NQ, +1) > NQ
(+2, +3) > HQ

We've got to keep in mind the foundation for these changes are coming along with or after the battle reforms of 1.19, after which - as stated by Yoshi in this post as well - attributes will have a major effect on one's ability as opposed to the largely negligible effect they have now. This point is key, because it brings value to everything being added.

The Materia system will be huge just due to that change in effect for attributes alone. Add to this the coloring for specific effects/attribute boosts, difficult single-tier HQs, and advanced crafter recipes and it sounds more to me like crafters will have much more abundant and exciting goals to pursue with this system - all while it not being convoluted and confusing at a glance.

What I see with these changes are simplification of crafting as a whole initially, and then the addition of many challenging goals at higher ranks. This essentially makes it so the challenge of crafting is not full-force at early ranks and it doesn't act as a deterrent for players who would otherwise not bother crafting, but at the same time gives a clearly defined goal for crafters to get to higher ranks to be able to participate in advanced recipes and materia-craft.

I see depth being removed in all the right places, and depth being added in all the right places...

...but I digress. In the end we'll see what we get once the patches hit. All in all, like the many changes this game has started to face in the days past, we won't know what they truly bring until we experience them first-hand.

[Holland]

actualy, it says hq mats will be hard to get, not that itl be hard to hq it with all hq mats

Definitely, just edited my post a few seconds back =D

[Okiura]

Well, it seems the crafting system will retain its difficulty level and depth with more recipes for high level and after the Materia system is in place things will go crazy!.

Not sure i can agree with this part. think the way the simplified low rank recpie and the detailed high rank recpie as been put across by Yoshi is misleading.

it is still going to take the same steps to make an ingot, weather it's a low lvl copper Ingot, mediem level Iron ingot or high level Cobalt ingot. The same will be true for leather and lumber too, and recpies form all ranks will need these.

There is no extra clompexity in the high level example that has been given to the low level on that started this debate.

[Vesper]

I am personally liking what I am seeing here, I think I need to think things over a bit longer to drop a final verdict, but it all looks positive.

I am in agreement with the conversion of item qualities people are suggesting. NQ and +1 should become NQ and +2 and +3 should be HQ, if I see my +2 items going into NQ I will be a very pissed off camper. But we have no official news on how this is going to go, yet.

[TheVedis]

I am personally liking what I am seeing here, I think I need to think things over a bit longer to drop a final verdict, but it all looks positive.

I am in agreement with the conversion of item qualities people are suggesting. NQ and +1 should become NQ and +2 and +3 should be HQ, if I see my +2 items going into NQ I will be a very pissed off camper. But we have no official news on how this is going to go, yet.

i think alot of people will be mad seeing their +1s get transformed into NQ too....
thats a concern i have

[NoctisUmbra]

i think alot of people will be mad seeing their +1s get transformed into NQ too....
thats a concern i have

Honestly, a lot of people will be mad no matter what changes - as long as something changes someone somewhere is always going to get pissy.

However it makes the most sense to split them right down the center. Yoshi says that HQ will provide a clear buff to the gear, and being that it is a single-tier HQ it would make more people upset if +1,2 and 3 all become HQ. This devalues the current +2/3 gears which both are considerably more difficult to obtain than a +1 - you don't even need HQ mats to get a +1 final product consistently.

If anything people should be happy for such an advanced notice. I'd take this opportunity to sell off any +1 and +3 gear I have (provided we get an official transition plan announced.)