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  1. #91
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    Shamirah's Avatar
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    Shamirah Zullya
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    Arcanist Lv 59
    No one in their right mind can argue that SCH and WHM have better "oh shit" button and more reliable heals, better MP management and better CDs.

    The only thing AST has going for himself is the cards buff. And maybe Synastry but it's not THAT good compared to what the other two offer.

    No one is saying WHM and SCH are easier to play and OP.

    All we're saying is that the only discussable strong quality of the AST are their unreliable cards buff.

    Also no one is saying AST can't heal trials/raids.

    We are talking about the balance between the three healers.

    I love AST, I'll still play it even if they stay that way but it does not change the fact that there are a lot of things totally wrong with the job.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizersan View Post
    Your fairy can die while AST healing like WHM is tied to the player and if your fairy dies your HPS drops by a lot and spamming Lustrate does effect your mp regen as you no longer have charges left to help your mp regen what AST has is cards the ability to make all their heals instant cast on the move with light speed and the ability to heal 2 people at once no matter the distance making AST the most mobile healer in the game.
    if you fairy dies it means you fucked up. You can't use an argument like that... that adds nothing to the discussion. It is well known that SCH has the least mana issue of all healers. AST has cards... when the RNG god is okay to help us. Yeah all cast on the move with light speed at the cost of -25% potency. Meanwhile the fairy heal at 300 potency while you move and you have lustrate. And using Lightspeed causes more MP problem than using 6 lustrate.
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    Last edited by Shamirah; 06-27-2015 at 09:23 AM.

  2. #92
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    Muriel Murconic
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    Shiva
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Seryl199 View Post
    I've got to back to this and comment... AST has my favorite auto attack among the three healers. Aggressively karate chopping mobs with card in hand is ever so slightly more satisfying than the SCH book whack.
    Ignoring all the nonsense in the thread just to say, yes our auto attack is absolutely the best.
    Papercutting the enemy to death rather then bashing them with blunt objects is the way to go.
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  3. #93
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    Shinoa Hiragi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamirah View Post
    if you fairy dies it means you fucked up. You can't use an argument like that... that adds nothing to the discussion. It is well known that SCH has the least mana issue of all healers. AST has cards... when the RNG god is okay to help us. Yeah all cast on the move with light speed at the cost of -25% potency. Meanwhile the fairy heal at 300 potency while you move and you have lustrate. And using Lightspeed causes more MP problem than using 6 lustrate.
    If Synastry is used properly with Lightspeed and Ewer with your mp regen ability up it's not as much of a issue it's all about holding the right cards for the right moment.
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  4. #94
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    Kayu Lynette
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizersan View Post
    If Synastry is used properly with Lightspeed and Ewer with your mp regen ability up it's not as much of a issue it's all about holding the right cards for the right moment.
    No one gives a damn about Lightspeed because it already knocks our already LOW healing. What purpose does this serve?
    No one would be hootin' if that 25% was done for...I'd take 15% or 10% If not for the insta heals, you're better of healing in Cleric Stance.
    Also LOL, if you use Lustrate as SCH...wtf? You have SC for fairy and if you time Aetherflow right, you have near 6 instant heals going for you.

    Ewer don't mean crap if you're rolling Spire 6 gazillion times then the CD is abysmal.
    I'll be sure to hold Ewer for days on end then if I ever get it.

    Edit: BTW, without Faerie, AST and SCH have the near same healing potencies.
    If you can't Faerie up at least you have a better MP regen until SC is up, which doesn't take long.
    And shields to help for a bit...AST has nothing to fall back on sadly, not sure about CU, not there yet.
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    Last edited by Mhikail; 06-27-2015 at 09:41 AM.

  5. #95
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    Juni Esura
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    oh god don't make me think of the early days of pet micro

    you're delusional if you think scholars were totally fine in 2.0
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  6. #96
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    Shinoa Hiragi
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    Fanservice the only fool around here is you wasting Aetherflow charges does effect your long-term mp regeneration any SCH worth a damn would know that and in long fight long term matters otherwise you run out of mp if you poorly time your uses of Aetherflow charges but it seems you only go by everything going perfect for you and not accounting for the skill of the player playing the class.
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  7. #97
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    Shamirah Zullya
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    While I agree with most of what you say fanservice, I think it's kinda out of place and rude to insult her or him. Let this be a relatively "safe" place, no need to get personnal.
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    Astrid Merle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamirah View Post
    While I agree with most of what you say fanservice, I think it's kinda out of place and rude to insult her or him. Let this be a relatively "safe" place, no need to get personnal.
    I take insult when someone less informed tries to lecture me, while wrongly shifting blame away from what lies between the chair and the screen in order to blame class mechanics to berate SCH. Anyone who played for any length of time should know the tools available, yet here's someone who insults the reader's intelligence by omitting common facts to make their point seem like it has merit. It's absurd to see.
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    Last edited by fanservice; 06-27-2015 at 10:30 AM.

  9. #99
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    Kanya Nague
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    SCH was broken because the pets did whatever they wanted, which was especially bad because whispering dawn was the only AE heal to get the grp up.

    it never was bad, it was just annoying.
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  10. #100
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    Shinoa Hiragi
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    It's not a front I have been playing since 1.0 and in 2.0 SCH was my 1st 50 which was my main class that I did everything with so I think I have a good understanding of what the difference between AST and SCH but the difference between us is that I can see AST potential and what SE made them for which it seems you don't want to or can't.
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