Bard - they broke my job

[kirk]

What, is it supposed to be equal?

Granted 300 is a large number, but with the songs and such, it doesn't seem like Bards parsing universally lower is outside expectation...

You even get a preemptive esuna at level 58, for crying out loud

Lol ^ this is the reason we Can't have nice things because of people like you...

[Edellis]

Lol ^ this is the reason we Can't have nice things because of people like you...

All i'm asking for is the reason why you're crying so hard. Am i just supposed to assume you're all endgame raiders with 100% optimal rotations? Yes? I even went back in the thread and saw posted rotations that could use some easy rearranging.

Or, i mean, I can just let you get back to your whining, whatever that's cool. Do you.

Buff WM to 40% or we all quit, here here

[awesomeuno]

All i'm asking for is the reason why you're crying so hard. Am i just supposed to assume you're all endgame raiders with 100% optimal rotations? Yes? I even went back in the thread and saw posted rotations that could use some easy rearranging.

Or, i mean, I can just let you get back to your whining, whatever that's cool. Do you.

level 53 archer...yeah, get to 60, then form your own opinion.

[Edellis]

level 53 archer...yeah, get to 60, then form your own opinion.

Let's not play this game, please. I haven't been 53 for days. Haven't been "archer" for shy of a year.

I'd ask for meaningful discussion again free of the snot-nosed, teary bias, but i'm almost positive it'd be a wasted request.

[Seifa]

I main BRD for my static and during our Ravana EX farm yesterday I had DPS ranging from 550 to 590 without using WM a single time. I don't find that bad at all since I increase the BLM dps and help the healers refill their MP. It's just disappointing that I'm playing it the A Realm Reborn Way, with the same playstyle and skills, just casting Sidewinder sometimes. I was expecting a new song, maybe a skill that you could link with another character like a personal ballad to improve that one char specifically and stuff like that.

While I'm still useful playing it ARR style, it's very disappointing and I feel cheated.

I just did two Ravana EX at ilvl180, i parsed 630 without WM all the time and 578 with WM with a DRG in party....

[Panasync]

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Bard's "rotation" isn't rocket science.

That being said bards have a dps stance, why shouldn't it be equal, we're a DPS class no? Our support abilities (we are not a support, this game has no supports) actually nerf us, which happens to 0 other classes in the game. You realize most jobs have some sort of damage debuff and even tp/resistance buffs are you suggesting they get a nerf as well? We already eat a flat % debuff to our damage from those, why further punish the job on top of the ability usage punishment?

We have a DPS stance to do comparable DPS at the loss of our mobility (core to the job for 90% of levels), even in said stance we're doing worse DPS comparatively than at any point in 2.0. The job gained a "DPS stance" and has taken a step back in terms of damage and gameplay, how does that make sense to you?

This leaves out the unintuitive and clunky design altogether.

[awesomeuno]

Let's not play this game, please. I haven't been 53 for days. Haven't been "archer" for shy of a year.

I'd ask for meaningful discussion again free of the snot-nosed, teary bias, but i'm almost positive it'd be a wasted request.

Merely stating that you should get to 60 and decide for yourself. If you are 60, grats, you should now be aware of how weak we are compared to every other class, even tanks.

[peekashu]

I just did two Ravana EX at ilvl180, i parsed 630 without WM all the time and 578 with WM with a DRG in party....

We don't have a DRG in our static, so the DPS would range closer. Seems like that's the DPS to expect during that fight then and it's very disappointing to see WM parsing 10% less. It's just sad that you don't get any improvement with the new skills, except Sidewinder.

[Sessurea]

Well bards dps stance should never make us equal to other dps, or else we'd just run 3 brds and a mnk like old days. No what we wanted was simply to not be SO far behind if we had our skill ceiling raised via a stance that required "more skill" to use. But as it stands, the skill ceiling raised massively with little to no dps gained, but the gap between us and other dps is enormous now. I actually feel guilty when I see other dps pushing over 1k and im struggling to maintain 7xx dps with my current ilvl.

It's just sad that you don't get any improvement with the new skills, except Sidewinder.

Which isn't enough to make up the loss of barrage ( yes I feel like we lost it )

[Snowaeth]

Because Barrage got nerfed by 320potency.