Bard - they broke my job

[Ooshima]

Our FC MCH is pushing 980 on a 4min parse.

I think MCH actually works better than BRD and just takes some more time to learn. (Not saying they'r in a good spot, just probably better off than BRD since they don't have BL proc's etc which would conflict with their GB)

But yea I'm gonna go back being salty in game.

I'm leveling and learning a MCH for that reason. The thing is the level 51-60 part of BRD are awkwardly slapped onto the job, while MCH are being designed ground up. That difference alone would make MCH in a better position than BRD.

Doesn't hurt much learning since they both shares the same gear less the weapon. Depending on each turn basis at least I have another option.

[Snowaeth]

I'm leveling and learning a MCH for that reason. The thing is the level 51-60 part of BRD are awkwardly slapped onto the job, while MCH are being designed ground up. That difference alone would make MCH in a better position than BRD.

Doesn't hurt much learning since they both shares the same gear less the weapon. Depending on each turn basis at least I have another option.

Yep, that's my take on MCH as well.
I do hear they have a pretty bad time 50-60 too and their 30-40 isn't great without their turrets either.
But for us with an already lvled 60 it shouldn't be hard to just fate grind or dungeon with the armory bonus active.

[Ooshima]

Yep, that's my take on MCH as well.
I do hear they have a pretty bad time 50-60 too and their 30-40 isn't great without their turrets either.
But for us with an already lvled 60 it shouldn't be hard to just fate grind or dungeon with the armory bonus active.

Yeah, armory bonus makes leveling it easier. I did a few hrs of grinding late last night for MCH, gained 5 levels. Can't comment about 50-60 yet but 30-40 is quite boring. But again, without full set of skills, any job is gonna be boring since you are restricted to press that usual 3 same old buttons.

The pre-50 will probably going to take longer because the late 50 dungeons such as Vault and Library really gives crap ton of XP. I leveled my BRD from 57-60 in a single night and it took me about 4 or 5 Library runs + pure MSQ quest XP for that last 59-60 lap. With bonus it's going to be even faster.

[JovianTheCool]

MCH is capable of doing 850+ in 3.3 mins parse. I think BRD should be around the same as well. Although to remain competitive, I feel slight buffs in potency will help in raids for both classes.

Snowball, is your FC's MCH using hive weapon? 980 with DRG?

[Wishles]

800-850 is the normal parse for Bards. We're the lowest DPS with MCH in any real fight. Parties aren't even accepting more than one BRD and MCH for their parties. Any other DPS is better than another BRD or MCH to run with.

[Ferrasper]

So basically if I am understanding this right, at 60 it doesn't matter who you pick because both Bard and MCH are the same dmg wise.

[peekashu]

I main BRD for my static and during our Ravana EX farm yesterday I had DPS ranging from 550 to 590 without using WM a single time. I don't find that bad at all since I increase the BLM dps and help the healers refill their MP. It's just disappointing that I'm playing it the A Realm Reborn Way, with the same playstyle and skills, just casting Sidewinder sometimes. I was expecting a new song, maybe a skill that you could link with another character like a personal ballad to improve that one char specifically and stuff like that.

While I'm still useful playing it ARR style, it's very disappointing and I feel cheated.

[Snowaeth]

MCH is capable of doing 850+ in 3.3 mins parse. I think BRD should be around the same as well. Although to remain competitive, I feel slight buffs in potency will help in raids for both classes.

Snowball, is your FC's MCH using hive weapon? 980 with DRG?

i180, not sure if that was with Law or Hive tho, probably Hive

[Ooshima]

i180, not sure if that was with Law or Hive tho, probably Hive

It should be Hive. Without Hive you will be IL179 too, and looking at the numbers I am almost certain it is Hive.

[Panasync]

I increase the BLM dps and help the healers refill their MP.

There are other jobs that can do the same thing, most jobs give some sort of damage buff (Ninja/Dragoon/etc lowering resistences) and can give TP, yet we don't simply say you do less because you have utility. That being said I'm ok with nerfs to damage due to the songs, 100% ok with it, but when you give us a DPS stance, and we cannot even compete with DPS with it, and we're not singing songs, I have issues.

2.0 bard was far better in terms of playstyle and balance, 3.0 is all kinds of fucked from what it appears in both areas.