Bad players in Heavensward dungeons

[Souljacker]

So who are you to decide who's good and who's bad?

And why do some folks feel the need to come here to post about their alleged bad experiences? Do they think that the bad players frequent the forums, will see the post and think "Wow, I was in that party with that Sapphic Meow chick, I'd better git gud!"

No.

The best way to handle it (ESPECIALLY if you are playing as a tank and are the defacto 'leader' of the group) is to instruct the party how to get through the fight, and then remove underperforming members as necessary.

I can appreciate frustration but as a community we've got to up the maturity levels here. Leave this kind of stuff in Dear Diary.

[CUTS3R]

Most of my dungeon encounters have not been bad, only thing I notice is PLDs now.....PLDs...they seem to have suddenly forgot they have buffs like Rampart and Sentinel and Bulwark and...even Foresight if cross classed...

I am AST so I notice when tanks don't use any buffs. Three times now I've had a different PLD in Vault who doesn't use ANY CDs on ANYTHING. Not even bosses. Also had one go through half the dungeon in sword oath...didn't bother to mention it to him was wondering when he'd notice.

Im so glad someone else notices this. It gets really annoying when i speedrun lvl 60 Dungeons and defensive cds are nowhere to be seen.

I sure can heal through its no big deal for me but still, if y ou make it easier so i get more time to DPS that would allow us to speed up that run even further.

[Destinova]

So who are you to decide who's good and who's bad?

There are some basics you need to know:

1. Not wearing appropriate gear.
- Level and stat appropriate.
2. Does not dodge telegraphed attacks.
3. Refusing to take advice from people that know the job or fight.
4. Says, "Don't tell me how to play I am paying for the game I will play how I want" when you try to give them advice.
5. No willingness to improve.

What makes a good player:

1. Teamwork
2. Listens to others and gives advice
3. Knows their jobs skills.
4. Does not insult others for making mistakes and helps them overcome it.
5. If Lalafell willing to die as a sacrifice for the good loots to drop.

Just to name a few that makes bad players and good players. What else do you think should be added both lists?

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Another thing is that Dungeon Mobs in 3.0 are not as easily killed compared to the Dungeon Mobs in 2.X era.

I've seen plenty of tanks going into the habit of tanking large mobs in 3.0 dungeons only to get themselves killed by how the 3.0 dungeon mobs have higher HP than what players are use to in 2.X so they don't die fast as 2.X dungeon mobs.

even with the full ilvl 170 gear set, enemy mobs in 3.0 dungeon's HP is still far to high to treat them like the 2.X dungeon mobs.

Tanks will have to get use to taking things slow in 3.0 Dungeons or else they'll be Tanking the floor instead of the mobs.

I echo this. I had tanks still trying to speed run when I was doing the new dungeons for the first time. Unlike them, my gear was the bare essentials since the drops for better gear in dungeons have not been kind to me.

[Wigett]

Some, enter the Dungeons with an uber attitude that if your not geared to the T's or never make a mistake, your a noob and they think .. your a bad player.

I would think as a rule a bad player, goes AFK way to much, consistently can not stay out of trash telagraphs or Boss ones.. , is not actively using skills.. just standing there or just auto attacking.. but I rarely see this. it happens more in larger raids like 20 man where they can blend in and get carried. just be cause someones dps is low, unless its a dps check at a boss.. people need to chill out and stop
worrying about other folks and deal with them selves. imo. its a Dungeon for goodness sake, not RL..

[KaerisKlyne]

I had a Scholar in one of the level 60 instances who didn't use a single job action from post-level 50 and threw out no lustrates. Physick spam the entire time. Maybe it's just my luck, but I haven't been able to find many healers who can keep up during bosses and some larger trash pulls when I run with friends. Granted, for many it's still a learning curve to adjust to since some jobs play somewhat differently now, so we'll see. I have come to dread all my expert roulettes though T.T

[Miscreant]

I get this with nearly every Dark Knight, but then the Job is new, the abilities are new, the dungeons are new. I just drain my MP with Adlo and Lustrate spams and hope for the best. This isn't all Dark Knight mind you, I've had a few that could tank the dungeons fine with just Eos healing them while I hit up Cleric Stance.

[Dererk]

The expansion just started and you already expect good players in DF?
Actually...you expect good players at ALL in DF?

Tried to find a laughing gif but this one was hilarious so why not.

lol that is funny.

Only problems I have with the new dungens is rng seams to be awfull on tank drops with me I ran the Aray for the orthodox tank gear so many times and never got the body or skirt piece don't get me started on the other stuff I'd at lest like the stuff for glamour latter on but lol.

[Kaze3434]

The expansion just started and you already expect good players in DF?
Actually...you expect good players at ALL in DF?

Tried to find a laughing gif but this one was hilarious so why not.

the expansion just starting doesnt have anything to do with expecting good players in DF. they are there. most people expect at least some competance, and thats ok.

[Kayote]

Had this myself the other day with Garuda... back to back too. Thank Hydaelyn for the fast DPS queues. Bad healers, bad DPS taking his sweet time between spells (I suspect theyre controller players), Tanks not avoiding easy damage or just using the MP regen attack, no flash, no WAR aggro AoE (wtf? seriously!) ... its just aggravating. Square needs to put in some in depth tutorial quests for each class before they unlock dungeons at all, explaining roles and whats expected of them. I dont mind explaining a fight to a new player if hes missing some mechanic but not knowing the basics at level 40+? No... thats like potty training a teenager.