So, why isn't this a thing yet?

[Samcaesar]

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Oh that thread! Fun one, I didn't bother responding though because Shougon, Nestama, and Noxifer put my thoughts into better words before I could response, pretty good folks. Anyways, I was the last one to respond in that thread with a pleased "Thank god", no point in reviving it because the armor wasn't given unnecessary skin-windows.

Cool, but if you are going to look at loli and shota, please don't act like it's normal. You are looking at pornographic images of drawn children for sexual pleasure you're a "loli/shotacon" a fancy word for pedophile, it's just like if you look at drawn images of anthropomorphic animals for sexual pleasure you're a furry. Or no wait, are they not furries because there's no such thing as anthropomorphic animals in real life? This isn't the dark ages, realize being attracted to children in any fashion is pedophilia.

[Parryacg]

This isn't the dark ages, realize being attracted to children in any fashion is pedophilia.

You're right, we're in an age where people with dumb opinions like yours are allowed to be typed on a keyboard.

It isn't pedophilia, dude. Pedophilia requires a real child. IE children's clothing, pictures, etc. It does not include pictures of animu girls and boys. We can go through this for another 10 pages, but your opinion is wrong on its most basic level.

The fact of the matter is you don't like it because it's in mainstream animu. If you want someone to blame, blame the Otakus. I personally don't watch animu, so beat it.

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Must we continue this? I've already proven you both wrong. As have other people in this thread.

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Actually, since we're on this fine topic, if you two do not understand the basic difference between something fake and something real, that is your problem, not mine. Just because what you perceive as right does not make you right, the people proving you wrong at every turn are the ones that are right.

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Welp, hit post limit for the day, unsurprisingly. Annoyed dragongirl is annoyed.

[Chambers]

Must we continue this? I've already proven you both wrong. As have other people in this thread.

You literally haven't proven anything. If anything you've proven to everyone who reads this thread how deluded you are.

[Lemuria]

If this thread has taught me anything, it's that there are some very scary people with questionable ethics here. What could have been a light-hearted post about an adorable inclusion in Heavensward has degraded into a petty squabble trying to justify the unjustifiable. It's disgusting, it's vulgar and it has no place on a public forum.

If you really want to know why game developers are so frightened to add things like this into games, look no further than yourselves. Even when it's clearly benign, some people find a way to twist and contort it into an unspeakable horror. I hope this entire thread gets deleted.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

If you really want to know why game developers are so frightened to add things like this into games, look no further than yourselves. Even when it's clearly benign, some people find a way to twist and contort it into an unspeakable horror. I hope this entire thread gets deleted.

Sadly I have to agree with you.

[Averax]

If this thread has taught me anything, it's that there are some very scary people with questionable ethics here. What could have been a light-hearted post about an adorable inclusion in Heavensward has degraded into a petty squabble trying to justify the unjustifiable. It's disgusting, it's vulgar and it has no place on a public forum.

If you really want to know why game developers are so frightened to add things like this into games, look no further than yourselves. Even when it's clearly benign, some people find a way to twist and contort it into an unspeakable horror. I hope this entire thread gets deleted.

Yes

This thread is completely disgusting, and it needs to be taken down.

If someone had just posted this thread without including the word loli anywhere near the OP, it probably would have ended better.

[Samcaesar]

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That's not my "opinion", child pornography ("Virtual" or otherwise) isn't a good thing that's a fact, it's objectively morally wrong. Removing/Preventing things that are objectively morally wrong isn't a bad thing, in fact it should be welcome.

Have you even looked at some of the filth that TERA or the anime industry produces? It's not that I "don't like it", hell I don't like tanks in bikinis, but I can at least recognize that they're sexualizing an adults body, which is much less problematic than sexualizing a child's body.

Whenever there's a thread wanting child characters, with someone claiming that "Raya-O-Senna is hotter than Minfilia", then people trying to make it seem like "virtual child pornography" is different than "actual child pornography", I wouldn't really say I'm trying "to desperately defend from inexistant enemies". I don't get how not wanting pedophiles in a game to feel welcome is childish.

Yes.. Drawings and pixels deliberately made to be sexually attractive to pedophiles.

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Great ad hominem! Carrying on.

No. I've said I don't like it because I've seen what being "tolerant" of this sort of stuff results in in the anime industry. Frankly it'll only getting worse and worse, look at what it's done to TERA, look at what it's done to anime and those disgusting people who want "loli/shota"

And oh hey let's have a fun quote from one of the most influential men in animation history --

"It's difficult. [My female protagonists] immediately become the subjects of rorikon gokko (play toy for Lolita Complex males). In a sense, if we want to depict someone who is affirmative to us, we have no choice but to make them as lovely as possible. But now, there are too many people who shamelessly depict [such protagonists] as if they just want [such girls] as pets, and things are escalating more and more."

—Hayao Miyazaki, 1988 interview with Animage

Cristo, you folks sound like the same folks who say "You're being the REAL racist by calling out my racist behavior!". Is it wrong that I'm bothered by the fact people love to sexualize children? No, because most people are bothered by the fact that people want to sexualize children. I've stated my reason for being so adamant about this, but instead you make baseless attacks. A "Lolicon" is someone who's a pedophile, it comes from the book "Lolita" about a man who has a sexual attraction to a twelve year old girl. You can't call yourself a fan of "Loli/shota" and not be a pedophile, it's literally where the phrase comes from.

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Fun, more ad hominem!

It's not just in mainstream anime, it's in the entire industry. The people at fault at those "otakus" who crave little girls, you know lolicons.

No, pedophilia is an attraction to children. No matter what way you spin this "loli/shota" is children. Are men who look at drawn versions of two men having sex and masturbate to it gay? Yes. Yes they are. There isn't a different category for being attracted to "virtual" versions of something. If you are sexually attracted to "virtual men" and you are a man, you are attracted to men.

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Got an issue with people corrupting things? Blame the OP, you know, the person who finds Raya-O-Senna, a person with the physical appearance of a child, hot. Don't blame people who are being rightfully cautious. Either way, yeah, I'd love for this thread to be deleted.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

That's not my "opinion", child pornography ("Virtual" or otherwise) isn't a good thing that's a fact, it's objectively morally wrong. Removing/Preventing things that are objectively morally wrong isn't a bad thing, in fact it should be welcome.

Too bad I was talking about your comments on the anime industry.

Is Lucky Star for pedophiles?



No, really, genuine question. Cause it's a pretty darn well made anime. Does finding Konata cute make me a pedophile?

Got an issue with people corrupting things? Blame the OP, you know, the person who finds Raya-O-Senna, a person with the physical appearance of a child, hot.

You really insist on that, huh. I guess it's your best argument against me. Carry on then, I don't believe you can support your views with it.

Being attracted to/having sexual urges towards children is pedophilia. It doesn't matter if it's a real child or if it's a good 3D render or if it's an anime character.

That is your opinion and your problem. Again, if your mind is unable to differentiate between those things, I don't see why others should be blamed for it.

[Zyrusticae]

Edit: Let me just say that I would actually be okay with just more facial options, a wider range on the height slider, and the option to go to perflat on the breast slider. (Actually, I'm still kind of annoyed that the boob slider doesn't go all the way to flat...)

If this thread has taught me anything, it's that there are some very scary people with questionable ethics here. What could have been a light-hearted post about an adorable inclusion in Heavensward has degraded into a petty squabble trying to justify the unjustifiable. It's disgusting, it's vulgar and it has no place on a public forum.

If you really want to know why game developers are so frightened to add things like this into games, look no further than yourselves. Even when it's clearly benign, some people find a way to twist and contort it into an unspeakable horror. I hope this entire thread gets deleted.

Yuuuuuuuuuup.

Paedophilia is a very sensitive topic for obvious reasons. For the great majority of the human race, there's a strong biological urge to protect children, and this particular crime is one which by its very definition targets children. Because of this, extremism and overreactions are commonplace - particularly on the Internet, where trolls are plentiful and Poe's Law is commonplace.

The implications that folks who enjoy their animu waifus are just waiting for their chance to leap on a real-life child are frankly nonsense. If you were to present such people with a real example of child rape, the vast majority would be as sickened as anyone else would (and the minority who aren't would be no larger a percentage than any other group). There are plenty of folks who are perfectly at ease sitting through a Saw movie who would lose their lunch if they were to see any of that happen to a real person. Enjoying the fantasy does NOT equate to enjoying the reality. It doesn't even indicate a tendency.

Even if we are willing to categorize such people as actual paedophiles though, how are they actually harming anyone? No children are harmed in the production of loli and shota erotica. Until such an individual actually begins performing criminal acts against real children, there's nothing to worry about. Some might claim that the existence of these kinds of materials "encourages" people to go out and try the real thing - but this is the same kind of hysterical nonsense that got Jack Thompson rightfully laughed off the bar during his crusade against "murder simulator" video games.

Crusading against people because you perceive they MIGHT perform criminal acts against children someday is the worst sort of witch hunt. Save the anger and hatred for the actual criminals.

+1, you said it much better than I could!

It's baffling, really. This thread was about sharing a picture of a very cute NPC who many might have missed, and expressing the wish for something similar to be playable in the future.

OP used the word loli and some people went shit crazy about that, calling for a witch hunt and basically calling him a pedo. You do know that the current definition of loli is pretty different from the idea of the lolita novel? It CAN have sexual meaning, and it CAN not, because it's now used a lot more loosely than it was. But of course, OP has a girl in his signature, he must be a pedo! Oh, look, OP said he doesn't like Minfilia but prefers Raya, he must be a pedo! Dear gods, you guys are so judgemental it makes me sick. Do you even realize you've done nothing but bash and trashtalk someone purely for stating that he likes cuteness? Do you even realize how many people inbetween your holy war posts joined the discussion saying they would switch to that race immediately if available, yet nobody started picking on them?
You don't sound like you're worried about child abuse, rather you sound like average bullies.

You could have contributed differently to this discussion, expressing your concern about certain clothing pieces and suggesting that they can be remodeled, much like what happens with some glamour pieces when worn by lalafells. But nope. You had to start calling OP a pedo, disregarding anything he and others said. Because now it's what the cool kids do, point fingers, wage wars that would be right but against the wrong targets, refuse to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, and generally just being obnoxious. If I were you I'd apologise to the OP for slandering him with very little reason if not the fact that he used the word "loli". But what do I know, I'm just an old lady who likes cute things and doesn't like people who point fingers before even using their brain.

I sure hope you're only acting like this because this is the internet. Wouldn't want you to take a stroll through the park, see an old man tending to a little kid's wound while her mother is busy taking random selfies, and start shouting at the old man for being a pedo. It's good to be concerned about something, it's really bad to accuse before getting the facts straight or without knowing anything.

FAITH IN HUMANITY RESTORED. Good job!

[Kaze3434]

You literally haven't proven anything. If anything you've proven to everyone who reads this thread how deluded you are.

he showed that his stance of "digital/not real" is at least more logical than the carpet "anything having children depicted is wrong!" stance that you are taking. exactly because something is outside of the realms of reality is why they are allowed. people keep bringing up elins, but ignore the lore of them being x age inside the game. thats kind of surprising with the number of people who praise the lore of this game. you must also remember that different standards are normal in a world with as much culture as ours, thus the whole reason OPs use of the word loli doesnt mean much to me(its a word, get over it). does this mean OP knows the origin of the word for most people? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita . no, and i dont care if he does.
why do you think things like loli doujins or animated videos can continue to be made and sold at conventions/stores?(Comiket) because there is no direct correlation to someone liking loli in print to harming a child in real life.(bolded those two words to make a disconnect between them, on in virtual, the other in reality) i myself dont care much for playing or having kids as something that is playable, but trying to say that someones use of a word is worrying and a sign is pretty out there. what they want is an option, and you are using an opinion to say that asking for that option is wrong.

just something as an aside, its interesting that perception is reality in more than just my job. i really with facts would be used, and not just what people think.

edit-2; saw the cat in game, and i found one problem. either her head is too small, or lala heads are fricking huge. seeing as lalas can never be wrong, i am inclined to think that cat head is too small.

edit 3- damn it tags, now i gotta clean my keyboard.