Dissipate overpowered?

[Amaret]

There are some pretty nice uses of it. It's not needed for dungeons or something else. But i had some uses in the new Ex Modes.
I mean... 6 Aetherflow stacks ?
And, at the ex modes, there are enough downtimes to recast her without loosing dps.

[Hustensaft]

6 Aetherflow stacks ?

To spend them on more Lustrates?

30 sec of no fairy is too hefty of a punishment, while you hardly ever need 30 sec of 20% healing buff.

[Cynfael]

I mean... 6 Aetherflow stacks ?

Yeah, I don't feel this one. I just don't need that many Aetherflow stacks in a 1 min period, especially not at the cost of losing the oGCD support healing of the fairy. It's a poor trade-off in almost every situation.

[SuzakuCMX]

To make up for the lost fairy, your fairy has to be doing a lot less than 20% of your total healing.

From another thread:

I know the original topic was about AST vs WHM/SCH healing numbers, so I figured I'd share mine as SCH with average ilvl of 165~

Physick: 2400-2500 non-crit - 3600-4000 crit
Adloquium: 1800-1900 + 1800-1900 non-crit - 2000-2700 + 2000-2700x2 crit
Succor: 900-1000 + 900-1000 non-crit - 1300-1400 + 1300-1400x2 crit
Lustrate: 3600-3700 non-crit - 5200-5400 crit
Indomitability: 2400-2600 non-crit - 3200-3400 crit
Embrace: 1200-1300 non-crit - 1800-2000 crit
Whispering Dawn: 660-700/tick

If Physick is 2500 Heal and Embrace is 1300, then Embrace is 34% of your total healing output.

20% of 2500 is 500 so you get 3000. You lost 800.

It's worth it for the extra 3 Lustrates though cuz that's an extra 3x4300 instant heals. I can't imagine any content with that being necessary though since the other 2 healers don't get anything close to that. So it'll probably just make some single-target damage fights easier, but nothing that you couldn't handle with proper planning or without a SCH.

So my assumption is that you'll want it for the 3 aetherflow stacks and not for the +20% healing (though that +20% on Lustrate is pretty ridiculous -- or it will be when Lustrate gets fixed to be affected by healing increases).

Has anyone tested if you can click off the buff to summon the fairy early, though? That would make it waaaaaaaaaaaay better.

[Ghishlain]

If Physick is 2500 Heal and Embrace is 1300, then Embrace is 34% of your total healing output.

20% of 2500 is 500 so you get 3000. You lost 800.

Just a small correction, since Embrace is on a 3 second recast it's actually slightly slower to get off. If you look at that Embrace value on a GCD level that's 1,300*(2.5/3.0) = 1,083hp / GCD versus a SCHs 3,000 / GCD, making it more a 500 net heal loss.

Or in a different perspective with these numbers, you're losing approximately 28% of your total healing output (Fairy is ~1,000 HP / GCD out of a total 3,500 HP / GCD) to gain an additional 20% which puts you at a net loss of about 14% (~500 HP / GCD out of a total of 3,500 HP / GC).

Has anyone tested if you can click off the buff to summon the fairy early, though? That would make it waaaaaaaaaaaay better.

I'm personally reserving judgement about Dissipation until specific questions are answered like the one you just mentioned. Other questions include if they'll actually change Lustrate / Indomitably to be affected by these kinds of buffs because that'll make Dissipation more appealing.

Time will tell.

[Cynfael]

You cannot click off Dissipation; you are locked out of resummoning for 30 seconds.

This ability simply isn't good. I can only imagine that the devs conceived this as a sort of WHM mode for SCHs, but the loss of the fairy combined with the necessity of blowing the MP and usually a SC to resummon it make it more hassle than it's worth.

I don't need more Aetherflow stacks with which to healbomb people; I'd almost always rather have a second source of heals and a cleanse that's AoE and not tied to my GCD. If I want a 20% healing buff, I'll summon Eos.

[SuzakuCMX]

math and wisdom

Even how it is now, it's not like it's bad. At worst it gives you an extra 3 Lustrates which will more than make up for the dead fairy for 30 seconds. It's sacrifice for situation. If you need heavy healing at the moment then 3 extra Lustrates on top of Emergency Tactics Adlo is going to outheal just you and your fairy, so if you know the damage is just going to be for the phase you can cover it and tell the other healer to start using their big heals to cover for the lost fairy.

Still it could be a little bit better to give it some more appeal, and for that we'll have to wait to see what changes come and if you can click off the buff.

[Ghishlain]

You cannot click off Dissipation; you are locked out of resummoning for 30 seconds.

Thanks for the answer/ One more mystery solved in my head.

Even how it is now, it's not like it's bad. At worst it gives you an extra 3 Lustrates which will more than make up for the dead fairy for 30 seconds. It's sacrifice for situation. If you need heavy healing at the moment then 3 extra Lustrates on top of Emergency Tactics Adlo is going to outheal just you and your fairy, so if you know the damage is just going to be for the phase you can cover it and tell the other healer to start using their big heals to cover for the lost fairy.

Still it could be a little bit better to give it some more appeal, and for that we'll have to wait to see what changes come and if you can click off the buff.

I think it could use a small buff, such as having it affect both healing and attack power since you're locked out for 30 seconds.

To me, Dissipation has always been about "How much AoE heal can I throw out on the fly?" and with Emergency Tactics + Succor into Indomitably, that's 760 potency being through out in four seconds. If you then Adlo someone and pop Deployment Tactics, that's another 720 eHP being through out there. While there should never be a scenario where SCH needs to solo heal and dig out and protect your entire party at once, it can happen.

Alternatively, I'd be happy if they changed it so you CAN click off the buff and resummon the Fairy. I don't think it'd be broken because then you'd be spending a lot of MP + swiftcast for the trade off of some healing power and 3 Aetherflow stacks.

[EDIT]

At this time, the only real scenario where I can think of where you may need to use Dissipation is if you needed to have the eHP to survive something in the vein of Terraflare at a low ilvl within Alex Savage. Fey Convenant + Fey Illumination + Dissipation into Adlo on a Convalescence'd WAR then pop Deployment Tactics for maximum HP buffer.

[Kyomih]

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When exactly are you getting into this situation, or how often? When do you need to blow 3 additional lustrates/indomination? Maybe if your other healer is dead and everything went to hell but that is awfully rare of a situation to warrant a lvl 60 ability slot to use it for. or if you are trying content that you are not geared enough for.

Healers in general need to know fights, they need to know what damage is incoming when and if you get into such troubles to need the added healing everyone obviously screwed up. So yeah, very situational (is that even a word?) imo.

[Xenos74]

They could perhaps add a 10 sec buff after the 30 second lockout timer where it's 0mp cost to resummon your fairy, or similarly make that short window where your fairy cast has a "swiftcast" effect to it. As it is now, I'd agree that it seems like a very situational use but I've yet to get to the point where I can try the skill for myself