Was i wrong to Q for Dusk Vigil with a 108 gear LVL ?

[Lollie]

Disclaimer: this isnt meant to be a personal attack it is a general statement concerning the scenario provided.

I disagree with the statement that if the tank dies it is not the dps fault. As we do not have scenario details i am going to assume 1 of 2 happened.
1) Tank pulled 4-5 groups and died immediately at kill camp spot. Not unheard of but any tank with half a brain cell is going to blame the healer for that in a fit of rage.
2) Tank survived getting the the kill camp and healer successfully transitioned into maintenance mode on healing, and mitigation/recover resources ran out. In this scenario having a vastly under leveled weapon such as stated in this case is a very large contributing factor to the failure of the pull.

Even if they were smaller pulls, 1 set at a time your output would have been abysmal and you would for all practical purposes be carried through the dungeon.
Also as a dps gear wise your #1 priority is keeping an up to date weapon. It is the 1 heaviest weighted piece of gear for output. 30-40 ilv behind the average is a bit negligent, of which you get a ilv 115 HQ weapon handed to you at that point in the sidequests. You in essence gamed the avg ilv system to meet the requirements.

napkin math: il 110 weapon wd - il75 wd for brd is 8
quick look at stat weights: 1 wd = 9 dex for brd give or take "you are essentially missing 72 dex"

[Llyren]

The old guideline.

If the Tank dies its the Healers fault
If the Healer dies its the Tanks fault
If the DPS dies its their own damn fault.

There are dumb things anyone can do to make it their own fault outside of this, but gear is not one of them. Gear is passive, and the typical dumb things people do are more active like standing in the bad stuff, "helping" the Tank pull, or being bad at other mechanics of the fight.

The Tank is the one that decides the size of the pull and keeps aggro off the healer and typically the dps, The DPS kills what the Tank pulls without grabbing aggro, the Healer determines how much and who to heal and while adding some additional damage if they can spare the time and mana.

Gear does not make a good or bad player, it helps you do your job.

[Urielparadox]

You have to be i90 to finish main story, and how you have only an i75 doesn't make since since that's a moogle weapon, which means you cleared titan, and you should have a relic at least at i90. You are asking to be carried. Even if the tank had done a normal pull the mobs would have been alive so long they would have noticed your gear, and kicked you. Weapon damage has the highest impact on the damage you do. You could be i130 and if you using i75 weapon your damage would be at someone who is i90-i95. There is no real excuse for going into a HW dungeon, with a weapon that wasn't even ment to finish 2.0 with (let alone 2.55). They could have been nice and told you where to go buy weapons and gear from or you know just do the weekly Crystal tower quest for a free i120. Poes rain from the sky now. I'll doesn't mean anything if your weapon is far behind.

[Souljacker]

Just go buy the full set of 115 gear at a vendor and try again. Most tanks aren't going to give you a terrible time, but you could help your party out a bit by getting equipped. Then you'll be in maintenance mode getting drops from dungeons.

Just go try again. Don't hate the duty finder just because of one person who, instead of being the leader he\she *should* have been and giving you tips on how to progress your character, chose instead to be a roid rager princess tank.

[PetiteMalFleur]

It's surprising so many people don't know about the vendor gear. I found myself in dusk vigil with a tank who had an i55 weapon and a mix of quest gear. I told him at the start there's vendor gear: he had no idea. We cleared and he got a new weapon, but it was much slower and more stressful than it should have been with dps tanking adds and him getting trucked every pull.

I personally wouldn't kick someone from the first dungeon as undergeared as you, OP, but in a dungeon where the mobs have so much hp basically running it with just one dps is frustrating and a kick is justified. I think the tank could have been more considerate in how he spoke to you before kicking but he had a valid reason to.

Just do your side quests to get new gear and buy some stuff from the vendor. It won't be an issue ever again.

Side note: can you even mass pull this dungeon? Seems like each set of trash was walled off from the next until you killed them.

[Lollie]

.....There are dumb things anyone can do to make it their own fault outside of this, but gear is not one of them.....

Couldn't disagree with this portion of your statement more especially when it comes to dps and weapons at the extent described.
If I hire a bug control specialist to come take care of a problem for me and they only show up with a fly swatter, they are getting replaced in a hurry.
If they show up with off the shelf pesticides I could have easily applied myself, I wouldn't necessarily be happy but i would be tolerant if they got the job done.

[Llyren]

Couldn't disagree with this portion of your statement more especially when it comes to dps and weapons at the extent described.
If I hire a bug control specialist to come take care of a problem for me and they only show up with a fly swatter, they are getting replaced in a hurry.
If they show up with off the shelf pesticides I could have easily applied myself, I wouldn't necessarily be happy but i would be tolerant if they got the job done.

Real life vs Game.

In any case he showed up with old pesticides, not quite as good as the newer off the shelf ones, but enough to get the job done as decreed by the devs, our own little upholder of standards

[Wintersandman]

Tank should go the speed the group is capable of. Duty Finder is a hodge podge of skill/gear quality and any tank going in should be prepared for it. No need to be elitist.

If you don't want to run the risk of 'carrying' a dps then do a premade.

The community attitude in this game is toxic and does turn players away. I do find a few good nuts here and there.

[Drako]

I really think they should consider a Ilvl requirement for the weapon, or change the weapon to have a larger impact on average ilvl. Because someone can skate in with the ilvl average requirement, but have a terrible weapon. And unfortunately weapon > all for all your dps and healing. It would suck for players like you that had no idea that you could buy new gear on the cheap. But you would of found gear sooner or later, and not been put into this situation had this kind of requirement been in place. Honestly the first thing I did when I got into ishgard was look at what all the vendors were selling. I knew they'd be selling some kind of gear. Just like all the other city's, also outposts in 2.0 sold gear that was useful all the way up to what lv 45 or so? So to me it made sense for it to be on a vendor. I'm willing to bet there's even more vendors out there that sells even better gear right out of the shop. I mean I know we get quest rewards with gear as well.

But to the comment put in the subject, you kinda were in the wrong. But again you met the game requirements, so you technically were in the right. The dungeon can be done with that average ilvl, so long as not EVERYONE is at the same lowest ilvl as you. If everyone is, then it could be a struggle/challenge. Luckily also gear doesn't equal skill. But it does make up a big part of it.

[Taika]

As a general guideline for all game content, it is a good idea to ask yourself one question: "If all other members in my group were similarly equipped and prepared for this content than I am, would we be able to beat it?". If the answer to this question is no, you're making your party members carry at least some of the weight you should be carrying in the team.

It's completely understandable and even advisable to put your real life duties before the game. But you also need to understand that having less playtime than someone else is likely to mean that you will also progress slower, and you shouldn't cut corners at the expense of other players. Your (play)time isn't any more valuable than theirs after all.