Bard - they broke my job

[Crazypluto]

First bard with the Bow wizard name has been found!

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/5708052/

[Snowaeth]

There are 11 OGCD's that you want to fit into your opener.
And one of these OGCD's refreshes non stop. Making it on average 12-14 OGCD's at least.

How can you throw a cast time on a class like that and think it's going to be okay?

[Scrutch]

My unique suggestion is to get out the 2 new song by global cooldown...that is very bad...and remember we are support of the party some the machanist...for the power dps there are other class

[Buff_Archer]

Like Vinestra said this isnt instant like cleric stance or one of the ninja poisons --- this requires you to cast a song (about 3.5 seconds) standing still.

We can drop the song and do the old school bard stuff... sure,. but we also need to stop dps and movement to get back into WM stance. so yeah i really dont like it.

Yes, and even MORE downtime on top of that when you add on the use of an additional bard song like Foe Requiem. While there are bards that don't make use of their current song job abilities, those players are irrelevant in any discussion of the impact of lvl 52 + bard skills because they performed the role suboptimally as it existed at level 50. In a long, multi-phase boss fights with casters in the party I've used Foe Requem more than once... like during an initial burn add/boss phase down to half my MP or so, and then again later along with Battle Voice once my MP is back up enough to sustain Foe Requiem through the entire 30s duration of Battle Voice.

Minuet like all songs has a cast time of 3 seconds, as well as GCD of 2.5 seconds. That's 6 seconds cast time 5 seconds GCD time, for a total of 11 seconds we can't use any other GCD based abilities. The best-case scenario is I get Minuet and whatever other song I use played each followed by off-cooldown instant, without having to dodge and interrupt either of those 3 second casts. And sure I most likely wouldn't be playing these two songs right in a row, but the added downtime from Minuet contributes to the overall downtime that's there already when using a support song in the same battle.

I stopped doing MSQ on Bard at level 53 and am now working on catching up to that level on SMN/SCH so I can continue. I made use of the bard skills I had but even so, none added to the 'fun' factor unlike with other jobs and while every job has some skills that are more or less fun or useful (BLM has Apocostasis but they also got Flare when we got Battle Voice), I've come to realize this isn't the excitement I've been waiting for. So going to get two job's worth of new skills from ACN where I can feel like I'm actually doing new things rather than having what feels like a persistent debuff I have to cast on myself on me.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

All Bards who don't hate it are pretty bad at the job then. No offense.

Wrong. I mained BRD start to finish through all of Coil, and outside of mechanical-necessity, I didn't waste any movement. I didn't HAVE to.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should or have to. Same goes for Minuet.

[Mimiru_S]

All Bards who don't hate it are pretty bad at the job then. No offense.

That could be turned around, saying all Bards who do hate the changes are pretty bad at the job. Of course, no offense.

[Mimiru_S]

The cast timer needs to go. so you didnt do much mechanics running around in coil in the past?

I did plenty of mechanics. Doesnt mean I can't embrace change.

[JohnMccain]

Wrong. I mained BRD start to finish through all of Coil, and outside of mechanical-necessity, I didn't waste any movement. I didn't HAVE to.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should or have to. Same goes for Minuet.

You don't even have BRD to 52 lol. Why should anyone bother listening to you?

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

You don't even have BRD to 52 lol. Why should anyone bother listening to you?

I took on the challenge of leveling and learning Machinist, and I STILL don't need to move much at all to do the job right. Design differences aside, it feels no different. And lest we forget, Gauss Barrel and Minuet are fundamentally the same.

So then tell me, where are your credentials and why should anyone listen to you instead?

[mb52139]

I dont really like this new bard.. I really did enjoy the freedom we had before.. and while we still can not use WM... it locks out most of the new stuff we 'paid' for in the exansion... so one feels obligated to use the new stance.